We Have Started

A new series over at our sister site. It builds on the food for thought series we ran here for many years. The series includes a new topic Origins and we have posted 4 distinct articles on the different origin of things. We are not talking about the universe or Genesis 1 in that series

Here is the link to the first topic in that new series, https://theoarch.wordpress.com/2020/11/21/origins-signs-of-life/

and so far we have posted 4 articles. They all begin with the word origins so they are easy to find. Give it a look-see as those articles are good food for thought

Our Books Are Now At Amazon

It took a while to get done as Amazon rejected our other publisher’s attempts to list our books on this marketplace. Now you can enjoy our books through Amazon’s website. They are only available on Kindle right now.

We will be working on adding a paperback version later this week but no promises. The last line of The Church& Science: Get All the Facts is the most important line in all of the books.

Here are the links to those Amazon pages which will be added to our books for sale page on our sister site, found at the link at the end of this article, sometime this week as well:

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The Pastor: Numbers 18

This is an interesting chapter in the Bible as it lays out God’s instructions to Aaron and his fellow temple priests. While there is no direct statement connecting this chapter and the way the NT church is set up, I find that there is some correlation between the two.

If you look at how Jesus instructed his disciples and how they lived you will see that they had no real inheritance like their fellow Israelites had in other professions.

As you read this chapter, you get a sense of how important being a leader of the church really is to God. We won’t quote the whole chapter just key points to give you a better perspective on how God’s church and the different items associated should be looked at and treated.

This shall be yours from the most holy gifts reserved from the fire; every offering of theirs, namely every grain offering, every sin offering, and every guilt offering, with which they shall make restitution to Me,shall be most holy for you and for your sons

While we do not do all the sacrifices or make all the different offerings to God as he told the ancient Israelites to do, we still do tithes and offerings to the church and those acts and money should be treated as holy. Not as revenue to be spent frivolously.

Those offerings belong to God but the pastor gets to have his portion. Verses 1 to 19 describe how God is sharing what is his with those he has set apart to lead his people. God’s sharing should set the tone for his leaders and they should respond accordingly.

Even today as Pastors’ salaries are paid out of the tithes and offerings brought to the church in obedience to God’s instructions. Pastors should have a sense of gratitude and a new perspective on their position and how God is treating them. Verse 20 is the next interesting piece of scripture Pastors should seriously consider:

Then the Lord said to Aaron, “You shall have no inheritance in their land nor own any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the sons of Israel.

This is something that is lost today. We do not know how many ministers have opted out of the parsonage provided by the church over the years but we have been involved with a few of them and it has not been pretty.

The different pastors, somewhere around the 70s or 80s of the last century, started to want to buy their own homes so they had a financial inheritance when they needed it.

The problem was that these ministers were no longer as free to move to another church when God wanted them to lead a new congregation. Some were experiencing very difficult financial situations that almost ruined their work.

Movements were delayed and at least one minister we knew faced ruin because of this mentality. That is not a good testimony to have and being like the rest of the world means that the pastor is not as fully invested in God as they should be.

This lack of material inheritance for the pastor is not permission for the church to underpay the man or men God has sent to lead them. Nor is it permission to over compensate them. The churches should be honest with themselves and follow God’s leading on what those men’s salaries should be.

Different programs in the church are not as important as making sure the church shows the unchurched world that God takes care of his own. Payment to the Pastor is a testimony to the unbeliever.

How they see the church pay their leaders can be a stumbling block to their salvation. Or it may help smooth that conversion. In any case, payment to the pastors should be regarded as a holy act as the church is representing God here and handing out his money. As you shall see in the next verse quoted:

To the sons of Levi, behold, I have given all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the tent of meeting

The tithe is actually the Pastors’ money, not the church’s.

Out of all your gifts you shall present every offering due to the Lord, from all the [q]best of them, [r]the sacred part from them.’

Since the modern church has gone to only giving money it is pretty hard to tell which is the best and which is not. Money is money BUT if the congregation or individuals in the church want to give the church or the pastors physical objects like clothing, vehicles, books, and so on, then it should not be the worst item in the worst shape of all options.

It should be the best as God and his servants deserve the best. Again, this is not permission for the pastor to act in a sinful manner and demand the best, they must still be grateful for what they receive, knowing that God has shared it with them.

And you will bring on yourselves no sin by reason of it when you have [t]offered the [u]best of it. But you shall not profane the sacred gifts of the sons of Israel, so that you do not die.’”

With God, there is always a punishment for not obeying his instruction. While physical death is rare in the NT church, spiritual death is not. We need to be careful that when it comes to our pastors, we must make sure to treat them as God wants them to be treated.

This does not mean we obey those men who stray from God’s word and preach error but correct them as God has instructed. Or encourage them when they are down, and not abandon them when they have sinned. But restore those fallen leaders back to the faith correctly.

The internet is full of websites whose members are former pastors, missionaries, and church leaders. Because of the way they were treated, in many cases not all, they have lost their faith and now do not believe in God anymore.

That also is a bad testimony for the church to have. The church needs to properly take care of their Pastors as they are, like David said about Saul, God’s anointed person to lead the church.

This does not mean we do not rebuke them when they are wrong but we do so with love and with truth, not personal preference. The church is supposed to know the truth and not use interpretation at any time.

We can learn a lot about what God wants, how he views different industries by reading the OT. It is not a section of the Bible to be forgotten and relegated to an ancient group of people. God’s word, all of it, still apply today in some way.

We have not done this yet but if you search the Bible and compare different passages of scripture, you will find a lot of the New Testament in the OLD. That is why Numbers 218 can be valuable to pastors today.

If one does not get the right sense of how God views the pastorate by reading 1 Tim. or Titus then they should get it by reading those passages related to church leadership in the OT.

There, instead of reading words transcribed by Paul, they see God speak personally and directly so that there is no confusion about his will or perspective.

This is the same for those wanting to be teachers. The warning in James is only the tip of the iceberg of what God wants from them. The OT provides a very detailed account of how teachers should teach and live.

There are good commentaries on the OT, with Keil & D (sp) leading the way. These works will help you understand what God is saying and why he said it. Without rules to follow, and this is a good evangelistic point, no one has anyone who cares about them.

Following God’s rules and instructions found in both Testaments, including how to treat ones’ leaders and pastors, shows the unbelieving world that there is a God who cares.

The church needs the right perspective again as far too many pastors and congregations have left God’s instructions and made a mockery of Christianity and both God and Jesus. That is not right.

Until the rapture comes, it is never too late to make corrections.

 

Youth Pastor

We decided to look up the origin of youth pastor and we were surprised when there were no historical accounts as to when that pastoral office was originally created.

There were many results for the history of the youth ministry but those tended to stop in the late 1940s, early 50s or one had it begin at the rise of the Sunday School movement in the 19th century.

It is a topic worth more research but that research must be left for another day. Our purpose for writing this article is to take a look at what can be done to improve the Youth Pastor position and not join the chorus of stating what is wrong .

Our experience has been internship and assistant pastors or a senior pastor not as a youth minister. But we have known many youth pastors over the years.

To say the least we are not always impressed by what we have seen. It is a ministry that has some validity even though God does not seem to include the teenage years in his chronology of human life.

We see no separation from adults when a child ‘becomes a man or a woman’ per the Jewish ceremonies and enter those teen years. In his eyes, from what we can gather from scripture, is that there is no such thing as an extended childhood.

One is either a child or an adult. That means people had to grow up fast and on time if they wanted to enter the real world prior to the teenage years being instituted. In fact, the concept of a teenager may have had its roots in the post-war efforts that led to the abolishment of child labor in many countries of the world.

It certainly is not a biblical concept and the recent implementation of this intermediate age explains why many hillbillies considered their children old maids, etc. when they weren’t married by the age of 14.

That means the concept of the youth pastor is also a new idea and one maybe the church should not practice. Yet, if they do, maybe they should change the job description so that the church can be instrumental in preparing young people for the real world.

We do have some thoughts on this, and keep in mind we are not trashing, criticizing, or demeaning the youth pastor position. We would hope that the powers that be in the different denominations would realize the mistake being made and take the right steps to correct them.

Because scripture has no concept of the youth pastor and Jesus did not implement one either we cannot provide any scripture describing their duties, etc., except to say that all the scriptures referring to the formation of the Temple priesthood and the NT pastor apply to this position.

What does that mean? Here is a list of criteria that should be applied to the youth pastors who want to work with young adults. These criteria are found in both 1 Timothy and Titus:

#1. He must be above reproach

#2. The husband of one wife

#3. temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, skillful in teaching, not overindulging in wine, not [d]a bully, but gentle, not contentious, free from the love of money. (1 Timothy)

#4. not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not overindulging in wine, not [b]a bully, not greedy for money, but hospitable, loving what is good, self-controlled, righteous, holy, disciplined (Titus)

#5. holding firmly the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to [c]exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict it. (Titus)

#6. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), and not a new convert (Timothy)

#7. have a good reputation outside of the church

#8. the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of indecent behavior or rebellion. (Titus)

That is a very tall order for someone so young but then, being an adult means one must be ready to accept the responsibilities that come not only with adulthood but with working for God.

If the current youth pastors are not up to the task nor meet those requirements then it is not necessarily the person wanting to be a youth pastor’s fault. The church, the church leadership, their parents, and relatives as well as their friends have all failed them.

There will be times where it is their fault, but when society stops following God’s ways and implements their own, even for a good cause, then society bears the responsibility for the failure to raise children correctly.

Both the unchurched world for letting themselves be deceived and the church for following the unchurched world’s ways. It is time to mention something important here.

The younger generation is not following anything nor exposed to anything that the older generations did not go through before them. Technology has been around for thousands of years and there has always been someone technologically savvy as well as technologically illiterate.

Also, the younger generations face the same pressures, the same temptations commit the same sins as adults do. There is no special ministry to youth or children. It is the same for everyone.

The only difference is that the younger generations need to be taught the words of God, his statutes, commands, and instructions. In addition, discipline and punishment are the same.

God is a fair and just God and he does not make up special rules for teenagers, children, or adults. The Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah are just two examples of that. You will notice in both cases that parents involved in those two events did not ask for any special favors for their children or teenagers.

What this boils down to is that the youth pastor position should be taken with more of a serious mind, a better purpose, and a better spiritual focus. You can not protect young people or children by isolating them.

Nor by feeding them watered-down biblical stories. They need the truth and they need their parents to be spiritually educated as God charges them, not the priests of the temple to teach the children his ways.

We do see a place for youth pastors today merely because the church has not done a great job in teaching its people God’s ways, commands, and so on. Parents do need help with this issue.

But if the youth pastor has a misconception about the people he is leading and ministering to, then that help is not coming any time soon. Being biblical extends to all facets of church leadership. There are no escape clauses for any age group in God’s eyes.

The Bible does not declare any nor should we let society make them. The church has been led astray by the unbeliever long enough. It is time to get back to God and his ways in all levels of life including the youth pastor.

Pastoral Leadership

The main reason we started this blog, an information website (now gone), and a discussion forum  (now gone) many years ago was that we felt called to work with ministers, missionaries and church leaders.

These three grooups are not the easiest people to work with for many reasons better left for another time. We may not have hit the mark every time but for the most part, the members of those groups could come here and get good spiritual food to help them in their work for God.

Then we see articles like the one at this link and we get concerned. The contents in that article say to us that many people who take these positions in the church do not understand what church leadership is all about.

It seems that the pastors generally mentioned in the article want things to continue as they were before they became pastors and that is just not going to happen.

One analogy that can be used is when there are a group of friends in a business and for years they have done everything together and could talk, help each other out, and so on.

Then one day one of them is promoted to supervisor and suddenly that one person is not part of the group and is treated differently than they were before.

The reason behind that different treatment is fairly simple. The one promoted to the leadership position is no longer one of the group. he or she has been moved to a new group and the relationship has changed between the old friends.

It may not be right but that is the way it goes. When you become a leader you are not the same as you were before you got the call for higher office. You have been and will be changed. That means you have to find new friends and new places to find your support.

Take a look at Jesus. He called his disciples and us his friends, yet we do not see him coming to us or his disciples when he needed support, strength, advice, and so on. His disciples fell asleep on him in his darkest hour and many fled from him.

Friends are not always going to be there when you need them. When Jesus needed help, he went to the one place he could go, his Father. When Pastors, missionaries, and church leaders need help, they need to follow Jesus’ example.

They need to go to Jesus and seek his help and guidance. They should also go to their fellow pastors, etc., as they understand what a troubled church leader is going through.

The regular congregation does not have a full grasp of the situation and rarely can offer the type of support, guidance, and information a pastor needs. If you look at the Bible, God does not leave the pastor alone in the church.

He established the office of elders, men who are to be spiritual and can be there for the pastor when things start going wrong. The elders are not the pastor’s boss but a leadership co-worker.

To help pastors, missionaries and church leaders understand their role in the church better and be prepared to face what church leadership entails, one should look at Numbers 18. It is full of what God has outlined for the person who answers the call to be a leader in the church.

One verse will stand out and applies to this issue. It is found in verse 20 of that chapter and reads:

Then the Lord said to Aaron, “You shall have no inheritance in their land nor own any portion among them; I am your portion and your inheritance among the sons of Israel.

The pastor, missionary, and church leader should be cultivating a friendship with God over trying to find a friend among the people they are supposed to lead.

Trying to foster a relationship with different members of the congregation only leads to trouble for most ministers. it fosters jealousy, pride, allows for undue influence to take place, and can easily split the church.

That is not what God wants for his leadership. he wants his leaders to be founded, influenced, led by him not those who may not know the will of God. yes, pastors will be lonely in their church if they do leadership right.

That means they need to turn to God to find the right friends that will help their ministry and make the church better, more cohesive, and united under God’s truth. Those friends will be of the leadership group unless God has raised up a special congregation member to help minister to the pastor.

There are some points from that article we would like to address:

#1. The current “negativity of environment” is often “taken out” on caregivers like pastors and therapists, Sauls contended.

This is not unique nor special. Moses faced this issue when the Israelites were out in the desert wandering. Moses went to God for help, not the congregation.

#2. To care for their pastors, Sauls encouraged congregation members to “realize how important the ministry of presence is.”

To get the congregation to reach that level then they must be like the original first-century church we read about in Acts. Everyone was of one mind and followed the disciples teaching.

Then everyone met everyone else’s needs. No one was left needy and by the term ‘no one’, that included the disciples. Today’s ministers would take the place of the disciples and to get the people in one mind, they should be teaching what the disciples taught- the truth.

#3. Your pastor is not going to choose everybody; you’ve actually been chosen in the same way that Christ has chosen the 12 [disciples],” the pastor said. “Consider it an honor when your pastor also needs shepherding and care, and then give it.”

We disagree with this advice for the reasons we mentioned earlier. The person picking the pastor’s friends should be God so that favoritism and other negative characteristics are not given room to work.

Then Jesus did not pick the 12 disciples to be his comfort and support. he picked them to teach them his ways so that they could go out and be real church leaders that preached his words not their own.

On top of that, the pastor should not be going to the people he is supposed to be leading for help, comfort, etc. That shows weakness as a leader and may destroy any leadership he has in the church.

The people look at him differently when he is the leader and to go to people he is to lead to the right way to live and minister, is sending the message he does not have the answers, he does not go to God for his support and guidance and he does not do as he preaches.

Ministers are still human but there are better places to go to get help when one feels isolated and it starts with the examples of Moses and Jesus–they need to go to God first.

Ministers need true spiritual food and answers, not human interpretation or the best guess. That means they go to the one person who has those answers and spiritual food who will then lead them to the right men to help solve the minister’s issues.

#4. We don’t need to be fixed by our congregants,” he clarified. “But what we do need from our people is, ‘I see you, I know your job is to see me. I volunteer to see you.’”

Take comfort, pastors, etc., are seen. They are just not seen in the manner some ministers, elders, and missionaries expect. When you are a leader you are not seen as one of the crowd. You are seen as a leader who is supposed to be leading everyone to the correct path and the truth.

The congregants are not expecting you to have problems and if they do, they expect you to go to God as they may be in the same position and will need the answers you got from God to help them.

They are not expecting you to come to them when they do not have the answers a pastor, etc., needs. Once you are a leader, you cannot be one of the guys anymore. You have different responsibilities, different duties, and different places to go for help.

#5. Pastors need to be found,” he said, later adding: “It is not good to be alone.”

Pastors are not alone. If they have wives, they have someone God has brought to be their helpmeets, their sounding boards, their advice-givers, and so on. Moses and Peter had wives, as did many biblical temple leaders.

Most importantly, pastors have God to talk to and Jesus has been through it all so that pastors have someone who understands exactly what they are going through. At no time are pastors alone.

#6. Statistics show that 50% of pastors feel unable to meet the needs of the job

Then learn how to do it. Paul meets this issue head-on when he said

Therefore I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in distresses, in persecutions, in difficulties, in behalf of Christ; for when Iamweak, then I am strong. 2 Cor. 12:10

Feeling incapable;e of doing the job is not an excuse. God selected you for the role, so he thinks you have the qualities needed to handle the task. You just have to keep your eyes on Jesus like Peter did and avoid taking them off of him.

Then be ready to learn from the mistakes you will make and implement those lessons.

#7. 90% feel inadequately trained to deal with ministry demands; 

This does happen in many bible schools and seminaries. Many graduates are sent out barely ready to handle the problems that come when leading a church.

But they have God and the Bible to help them. Moses felt inadequate as well and Exodus 4 relates that hesitancy to lead. learn from that example and rely on God to lead and give you what you need to be a strong pastor or missionary, etc.

#8. 45.5% of pastors say they have experienced depression or burnout to the extent that they needed to take a leave of absence from ministry;

This is not a problem and no one needs to feel guilty about taking a break from the ministry. Solomon dealt with this issue in Ecc 3:

There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every matter under heaven—

The key is to stay with God in those breaks and let him renew you.

#9. 70% of pastors do not have someone they consider a close friend.

They must not consider God their friend then. Moses was called the friend of God and if you look at Moses’ relationship with God it was not perfect. Plus, we do not see him having a close friendship with anyone else.

His own brother and sister undermined his leadership at different times. Learn to cultivate a friendship with God who will not undermine you.

Leadership is not fun and games. If you want to be a good leader, then start a friendship with the one who first called you to be a church leader, etc. You want to be a success in the church, go to God, and start there.

God has called you, he will not give up on you nor lead you to bad information or leave you alone.