Special Announcement 2

It is very hard for me to think of Korea these days now that I have left the country. I spent almost a quarter of my life in that country. I had many good friends, wonderful students and a great learning experience.

It was there that I spent about 10+ years reading 30-35 books a year just to get caught up in what was happening in archaeology, history, science, genetics and even astronomy. I was also able to complete 3 degrees (40 F, -30 F & 72 F 😊) while teaching English.

I did a lot of travel, going to some unique and well-traveled tourist spots and a myriad of weird isolated spots most people do not go to, even Koreans did not go to them. But I enjoyed living in the country so much that I wanted to see as much of it as I could.

Then, when I had some spare time I was able to write 3 books to help believers in their faith and to grow stronger in Christ. As I was walking with my lovely wife tonight, the thought that I had the books came to my mind. I hope it is from God as we did not check.

I had forgotten about those books because they do not sell very well. Academics is not many people’s cup of tea. But as I thought about the Special Announcement that I had put on this web page I was worried that people would think the Bible Institute was a scam and not real.

It is real. We have filed the SEC paperwork this past week and have secured a temporary building. We have also seen a more permanent building that would fit some of our needs. But that may be a while down the road.

I am not a person that likes to ask people for money, especially when it is a straight donation for something in another country. BUT I do like to see people get something for their money so that they are happy and not feel like they were taken or being asked to donate to one more good cause.

If they buy a copy of one of the books, I feel good that they are getting something for their money. I can pledge a percentage will go to the school and its needs. I haven’t decided yet what that percentage would be, but it would be capped at 50%.

We do not care if anyone thinks that this is a gimmick to sell books. It isn’t. It is using available resources to help the school be self-sufficient and get a good financial foundation without the issues that come from straight donations.

That is one reason behind our thinking of opening a bookstore. If generous westerners donate more than enough books, we can open a book store and continue to build on that strong financial foundation. Buying the available books, mentioned below, is one way to contribute to the school’s success prior to our establishing bank, pay pal and skrill accounts.

I have an opportunity to give to these students, pastors and church leaders everything God has taught me over the years I spent in Korea. I would like to see it succeed as I approach my later years in life.

The three books are written under my pen name Dr. David Tee. I had enemies in Korea and had to protect my identity at times. When I didn’t I suffered greatly even  to the point where unbelievers were trying to get me thrown out of the country.

The titles are:

Archaeology and the Unwary Believer

Much to Talk About Vol 1

Much to Talk About Vol 2

Thank you for taking time to read this letter and I hope that if you cannot do it, that you would pass this request on to those who can.

Dr. David T.

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Some time ago we said that the topic of legalism was a subject for another day. It seems that day has arrived. It comes in the form of addressing Ms. Beth Moore’s comments in the following article

We can’t help but see an ad for one of Dr. Lutzer’s books titled The Doctrines that Divide in one of the websites we looked up the term legalism

. The title reminded of us Jesus’words about how he came not to bring peace but a sword. How families will be divided by God’s word. We see the truth of those words by seeing the thousands of Christian denominations that exist in  the world today. We feel that the issue of legalism is one of those doctrines.

Another website we looked at is found here

While we agree in part with the ideas of those website definitions we feel that they are leaving the door open for sin and sinful behavior to enter the church. {You can read those websites for their definition of the word legalism. We will not be addressing them per se}. For example:

The second form of legalism divorces the letter of the law from the spirit of the law. It obeys the letter but violates the spirit

The spirit of the law does not mean that the law is altered or ignored. Culture is not the determining factor when looking for the spirit of the law. Culture is secular, lost, deceived, blind and in need of the light of the truth. Culture cannot shed light on God’s word nor illustrate the spirit of God’s laws or rules. For example, and sorry women we must use ths example. While culture is championing equality for women in the boardroom, as politicians and other leadership roles,that movement is not bringing the spirit of God’s law banning women from being church leaders and pastors.

How can it? That movement is not of God, is fueled with evil and has sin merely being moved from being directed at women towards being directed at men. The spirit of God’s law would not violate God’s instruction that men lead the church and are its pastors and elders. Instead it would recognize that women have a ministry and can serve God but their ministry has a divine restriction placed upon it. That ministry can be developed as long as its development does not violate God’s rules found in the Bible.

We have written of such a ministry for women in our article Why we want biblically educated women.

But from what we have seen, especially in Ms. Moore’s comments is that the term legalism is being misapplied and used in a manner to allow Christians to violate God’s rules.

Author and evangelist Beth Moore is warning about the danger and deceit of religious legalism, particularly how when it exceeds compassion it is like a deadly snake that will inevitably “crush” you.

One of the dangers we see in legalism are its opponents and their generic and very broad use of the term legalism. Their failure to be specific opens up a very large can of worms allowing the term to be used by offenders to justify their actions and protest any spiritual discipline or rebuke. This can cause havoc in the church, confusion and more bad behavior by church members.

We will state up front, and so we do not have to keep repeating it, that there is a form of legalism that is practiced in the church. This goes without saying and we grew up in a time when it permeated the church Our undergrad alma mater practiced this to some extent and we will cite one example. A group of schoolmates, they were about 2 or 3 years behind us, went out to dinner one night. In the course of ordering their meal, they decided that they wanted to follow biblical teaching and have a glass of wine as they ate. As you know wine is good for the digestation and the heart.

Unfortunately, one of the faculty was dining at the same restaurant at the same time and saw what they were doing. The students were reported and instead of being given wise counsel, they were threatened with expulsion. It should be mentioned that the main churches that supported the school were against any type of alcohol consumption. This detail is important so you understand the school’s actions and not condemn it or the people in charge at the time.

There is a form of legalism that does exist in the church BUT that existence does not invalidate obedience to God’s word or make his instructions to his followers wrong. Correct obedience is not legalism. So it would be nice if those accusing the church to be specific about their charges and not generic in nature. One reason people like Ms. Moore are generic in their accusation is possibly that they do not want to learn that they are in error and are championing something that is wrong and against God.

They want their own way regardless of its validity and lack of approval from God. Our other issue with those quoted words is the term compassion. How can you be compassionate if you let people lead sinful lives and violate God’s instructions? Christian compassion does not encourage people to sin. Nor does it keep people in sin. Compassion also does not support those who willfully want to disobey God’s rules.

One of the motivating problems in their point of view is that the people like Ms. Moore want a warm hug, a good feeling, blind acceptance to describe love. Much like our religious education classes in our undergrad alma mater which sought hard to avoid the ‘harsh’ theological doctrinal rules taught in the theology program. But you cannot have compassion unless there are rules to follow. You also cannot have church discipline if you remove all the rules from guiding the church. God is not a God of anarchy and Jesus said if you love him, obey him.

In a May 3 letter addressed to her brothers in Christ, she explained how she has encountered chauvinistic, misogynist attitudes from within conservative evangelical and Southern Baptist circles and asked them to have no tolerance for it.

We addressed her open letter and so we will not repeat ourselves here except to say that she needs specific examples or she can be accused of wanting the church to stop following God’s rules and start following hers or secular culture’s. Plus, she needs to be more specific on her use of the the term misogynist and chauvinistic. If her definitions are applied and they are attacking those men who are truly obeying God, then she has a deeper problem than misogyny and chauvinism.

Ms. Moore and people like her need to be careful that they are not going against the Holy Spirit in their protests

.Her words prompted an apology from a leader from The Gospel Coalition and accentuated the ongoing developments in the #metoo movement as well as a controversy in the SBC surrounding Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary President Paige Patterson

Forced apologies are not apologies especially when the people are merely trying to appease those who got upset. The fault lies with people like Ms. Moore because they did not bring one real biblical argument against their targets. They did not bring true repentance or showed where there was a true biblical error. We have not seen God in their protests or actions. We have seen subjective female attitudes and preferences but nothing from God.

The Lord’s prayer teaches us to forgive those who trespass against us. We saw no such forgiving on the part of Ms. Moore or any of those women and men involved in that issue. We see them trying to get their pound of flesh but only Dr. Patterson seemed to be acting like God instructed.

Earlier Thursday, Moore tweeted, in a post unrelated to the SBC: “We’re each messed up in some way. All paupers to grace. Those who scare me the most are the ones who don’t know it. No, that’s not true. Those who scare me the most are the ones who DO know it & hide it.”

“Transparency: I am who I seem.
Creepy: I seem who I seem to hide who I am.”

We really do not like seeing these subjective comments because they always leave God out of the mix and present personal preferences. That is the same thing that is happening when some people charge legalism is in the church and holding them back. They leave God out of the accusation and use their personal preference to label a supposed problem without taking the time to find out if it is really legalism or truly obedience to God.

Her comment in the first line is not one that is fitting someone who is supposedly a biblical teacher and has been one for many decades. She should know better. It keeps all believers in the same spot and does not allow for growth to take place. It can also be used to block more mature, wise believers from correcting the foolish or novice believer. Then it places her ideas on others and accuses them of actions most of them are not doing.

I think some of us haven’t had enough practice at colossally blowing it,” she said in late March.

“Listen, I’m not an expert on many things but I am an expert on colossally blowing it. It’s not hard to repent. You just get down on your face and go, God, I’ve colossally blown it. I’m so sorry. Please help.

Her credibility is blown. She has no solution and wants everyone to only be blowing it. She provides no real instruction on how to fix the supposed issue of legalism she is talking about. She may be identifying with her audience but identifying has never been a biblical teaching. It has been used for over 70 years in the church but it is not godly instruction.

One example: We visited one church that fathered our home church when we were very very little. This was over 20 years ago when the visit took place. They had participated in the internship program that is mandatory for most students. Their intern was trying to start a coffee house and in their advertising to the street youth said the words “we are just like you trying to figure this whole life thing out.”  When we pointed this error out to the youth pastor, he justified it by saying, ‘we are trying to identify with the street youth.’

The advertising said that the church did not have the answer for the youth on the street. The church and its leaders are to have the answers, after all they follow the God who has all the answers. You do not need to identify with people to bring them to salvation. You can say, ‘we WERE just like you but we have found the answer to our problems. Here it is.’

People want and need answers including the issue of legalism. They need to know the truth about it and that obedience is not legalism. If you are going to be a teacher of the Bible to men and women, then you need to know the truth and the answers before you teach. The last thing anyone needs from a youth pastor, pastor, church leader is- Í don’t know’. If you truly don’t now, then say ‘I don’t know but I will research it and ask God then get back to you’.

Evangelical Christianity is in “humiliating” need of reform, and evangelicals spend too much time defending themselves instead of trusting God, Moore stressed.

With her credibililty gone, her opinion on the state of the evangelical church means nothing and holds no weight. Anyone can call for reform. The real issue is if those calls are correct or coming from a faulty source or the opinion- I do not like what you are doing. So stop it and do it my way. So many people confuse their selfish protest with being spiritual and acting on God’s word.

There are many examples we can use but we will return to our alma mater and use one we have used before. In about our 3rd or 4th year a fad started. Students began protesting the actions of others by using verses talking about being offended by someone’s actions. Instead of correctly studying the term and applying the correct meaning properly, the students were using it to dictate to their fellow students to stop certain actions the supposed offended did not like.

They did not realize that the term offended meant brought to the point of losing their faith. The actions of their fellow students certainly were not doing that to the majority of students who claimed offense. We will allow that maybe one or two may have been brought to that point but we cannot be sure. The point here is, before you condemn something, you need to make sure you are correct, have credibility and are biblical. We see none of that in those quoted words directly above.

We see Ms. Moore and others like her trying to impose their will on the church not God’s.

“Yet all that stands between us & an astonishing work of the Holy Spirit is repentance. Quit being scared of rocking a boat that has run aground on an island of compromise. Walk on water,” she said.

Yes the Holy Spirit brings repentance but not at the direction and command of Ms. Moore and people like her. Actual sins must have taken place and actual violations of God’s word must have taken place. God will use people but that is done according to his views, his rules and his direction. God is not an attack dog held on a leash waiting to be commanded to go get someone simply because the commander doesn’t like the other person, their words or deeds.

Repentance needs to be done God’s way and that is not legalism. Getting away from legalism is not permission to get away from following God’s ways or rules. God has rules that govern his church, this life and salvation. It is not legalism to tell people to follow his rules. It is wrong to use secular culture to alter God’s rules and how they are applied to the church, life and salvation.

It is wrong to falsely label something legalism when it is not or demand that the church stop what it is doing and do it the protester’s way. Legalism is not subjective.




When Unbelievers Claim There is no Evidence

It happens a lot. One of the more popular targets is the biblical account of Noah’s Flood. Atheists and unbelievers claim there is no evidence for the deluge recorded in Genesis. They are lying of course, because even secular explorers have found evidence for the flood and have recorded it. The problem is, those explorers credit the discovery to some other issue catastrophe.

For an example, we are going to use wikipedia because the information is common

The park is situated in the valley of the Red Deer River, which is noted for its striking badland topography. The park is well known for being one of the richest dinosaur fossil locales in the world. Fifty-eight dinosaur species have been discovered at the park and more than 500 specimens have been removed and exhibited in museums around the globe. The renowned fossil assemblage of nearly 500 species of life, from microscopic fern spores to large carnivorous dinosaurs, justified its becoming a World Heritage Site in 1979.

What Wikipedia and other websites fail to mention is that the majority of these dinosaurs were found fleeing something. They laid where they were overcome. The secular world would have you believe that a comet or some other catastrophe wiped out the dinosaur population but those theories do not make sense when you see how the bones lay and their global presence.

But there is documented evidence for Noah’s flood

That webpage only documents a few of them. But we are getting a little far afield here. You may find, as we have, that many unbelievers, including atheists, have claimed that there is no evidence for certain biblical events. But they would have a hard time proving that Mardi Gras takes place in New Orleans in one year, let alone prove that it was a yearly event. Especially when they only have a minute amount of artifacts, literature and other pieces of evidence to draw their conclusions from.

It is also difficult for believers to prove that the Amalekites were a real people. But they were and God placed a judgment on them

Scripture records the long-lasting feud between the Amalekites and the Israelites and God’s direction to wipe the Amalekites off the face of the earth (Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2; Deuteronomy 25:17).(

When God destroys something, it is pretty difficult to find any evidence of their existence. It is not impossible as God left evidence of the pre-flood world. Right now, we are siding with the theory that the Hyksos were the Amalekites. We can’t prove it because both peoples have no evidence for their existence. Just the similar  historical record and the coincidence of lining up with God’s judgment.

Then  there are other reasons why we cannot find physical evidence. One such reason is the misguided idea that certain evidence must be found in a certain manner. When Sir. Woolley said he discovered the remains of Noah’s Flood, he was rebuked by his peers and the archaeological establishment at that time because the evidence was not uniform.

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it,there has only been one global flood. No one except God would know what the physical evidence should look like for a global flood.

That misguided assumption is just one reason why we cannot locate all the physical evidence unbelievers demand to see before they believe. But,sadly, even if believers did come up with evidence for biblical events, and they have i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah, those pieces of physical evidence are often rejected, even by those claiming to be Christians.

One lesson that needs to be learned here is that believers do not dig to appease or convince unbelievers. Nor do they dig at the command of those same sinners. You can discover the ark itself and prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it is THE ark and most unbelievers will find some excuse to dismiss it as a fake. If we dig, it should be for the right biblical reasons.

Remember we are under the command to have faith not search for physical evidence. Of course, believers should be participating in archaeology and cover the same ground as unbelieving archaeologists if nothing else but to keep the latter honest. The former should be producing the truth not more theories or conjectures, assumptions etc. about the past. Sometimes we are hard on Christian archaeologists but that is because they follow secular rules and do not follow God’s instructions in their work.

Other reasons that allow unbelievers to claim that there is no evidence for the bible comes in the form of natural disasters, construction, wars and more. We get a news letter on archaeology which has a story on one construction project that may wipe out a lot of our historical past

Desert, Dams Threaten Digs Near Bible Lands by Dave Aeilts | May 11, 2018

For years, archaeology has focused big money and time uncovering and unraveling the mysteries of Egypt. Because of the Exodus, those interested in the Lands of the Bible have closely followed what is unearthed in the land of the pharaohs. Would it surprise you to learn that some of Egypt’s pharaohs came from an ancient land known as Nubia (the Land of Cush or Kush) whose boundaries straddled today’s Egyptian-Sudanese border.

Researchers are now racing to excavate Nubian ruins at sites scheduled to be inundated by water when Sudan constructs three dams planned for the upper Nile River. If rising lakes behind the dams do not bury these ruins, howling desert sandstorms and the urban creep of a population hungry for a better lifestyle may destroy these antiquities.

It is a very good article on why physical evidence for our past has disappeared over time. Construction projects wipe out a lot of our history. You may recall how some homeowners in Israel have dug underneath their homes and found ancient buildings etc. Archaeology is limited and one of its limitations is that archaeologists cannot dig everywhere. That is not an argument to employ more archaeologists but stating the reality that homes, office buildings etc., cannot be moved to please the unbeliever and their demand for more physical evidence.

As K A Kitchen has pointed out in his book The Bible In Its World, archaeologists are lucky to excavate up to 5% of any given site, including Megiddo (one of the few continuous excavations that is still ongoing). Not only is construction a nemesis of archaeology but erosion and other natural events fall into that category as well. Earthquakes destroy a lot of the archaeological record. So do landslides, tornadoes, tidal waves and more.

Wars take their toll as well as invading forces ruin or destroy archaeological sites. The most recent groups are the Taliban and ISIS. The latter of course has been accused of looting to raise needed money.

What does all of this mean for the believer? While physical evidence does help our argument, it is not essential. When an unbeliever demands physical evidence to prove a biblical event or our words, we merely point out to them that God placed everyone under the requirement of faith. We will have physical evidence to help our arguments BUT we will not have so much that our faith is destroyed.

Faith is always going to be part of the equation. That is our response to unbelievers who make demands for physical evidence. To find salvation, they need to follow God’s rules. One of those rules is that we come to Jesus by faith. We accept Genesis by faith, we accept the whole Bible by faith, so must the unbeliever if they want to see God and enter his kingdom.

The Bible tells us that it is by grace through faith that we are saved. We are not saved through physical evidence though it will help unbelievers take that step of faith required for salvation. Some physical evidence will also shore up our faith. In the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, we have that evidence. it is not the northern location championed by some one we know and have opposed for years.

It is not where Ron Wyatt claimed either. it is found in a region that has been uninhabitable for millennia

It is funny to us, not ha ha, that the very reason Dr. Stephen Collins and some of his associates dismiss the southern location is the very reason that proves the location. They have told us directly in discussions years ago, that the land surrounding Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira was so bad why would anyone live there? Their question stems from their faulty perception of the territory. They were not looking at the land as the Sodomites and Gomorrahians, plus Lot and Abraham, saw it. They were looking at the territory after God had destroyed it and came to their faulty conclusions.

As believers, if we are going to use archaeology in our evangelistic efforts, we must be looking at the physical evidence from the correct perception point. We must be honest and not force the evidence to fit our beliefs. There is plenty of evidence to prove the Christian faith and the Bible true without altering any of it or forcing it to fit our perspective.

When unbelievers ask why we reject one archaeologist’s conclusion over another, we must be ready to give an answer. That answer must be the truth. Why do we reject Dr. Collins’ identification as Tall el-Hamman as Sodom, when so many biblical scholars and archaeologists accept it? Because he manipulates the evidence to fit his views and he manipulates the biblical passages for the same reason. He ignores real evidence that demonstrates he is wrong, for whatever reason he may have.

You see using physical evidence is not going to be a sure thing when trying to convert someone to the Christian faith. It is not always enough to keep Christians from making archaeological mistakes. When unbelievers ask us for physical evidence, you can always respond by stating how Christ changed you. That is physical evidence as well and it is real, in the present and happening to a live person. It is not something that came from thousands of years ago.


Violence, Love & Marriage

We have probably talked enough about this subject but there is one point that still needs to be discussed which so far has not been truly covered. It comes from the following article

In theological terms, Patterson sees his comments as a snafu rather than a sin. But the advice he offered to victims of domestic abuse and the ways in which he has spoken about women in general is neither a mere mistake nor the result of carelessness. It is wrong and contradicts the Bible’s unambiguous teachings on violence and marriage.

We really wish that when people make points like this, that they actually provide some sort of evidence for their words. Placing scripture verses specifically talking about violence in marriage would have helped greatly to see what point they are trying to make. Failure to supply those passages means that one may make a mistake in addressing the point. Or they can do their own bible study and see if the point is true or not.

We elected to do the latter.  So that we are all on the same page, when the Bible talks about husbands and wives committing sin, including abuse, not one passage of scripture grants permission for any modern or ancient, and those in between, believer to commit sin or be abusive to their spouses. And we are not going to separate the abuse issue simply because women suffer abuse more than men do. Abuse happens on both sides of the marriage and both sides need to learn the same lesson.

Then we must state that if a person limits their bible study to the words ‘violence’, ‘abuse’, & ‘marriage’ then they will not see the whole picture but can adjust the debate according to their personal, subjective views. What most believers do not realize is that certain bible verses are not excluded from the topic simply because they do not specifically address those issues or do not have those terms included in their content.

Bible passages work together and do not overrule each other or contradict each other. God has worded his words in such a way that the Bible addresses every facet of life even when they are not specifically talking about a given topic. We are going to start with a passage that warns those outside of the marriage how they counsel married couples. It is a very powerful warning that seems to be ignored by most laymen and professional ministers. These people seem to think that their personal views trump anything scriptural.

For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” (MT. 19:6 and Mk 10:9 NASB)

People may say that God could not have joined a couple because abuse or other sins are taking place in the marriage. That argument may be based on a misguided view of the words ‘what God has joined together.’ Does it mean that God made sure those two people were married or that when they married he agreed to their union and solemnized it. Doesn’t matter the type of ceremony that took place. It is a discussion that probably needs to be saved for another day. Of course, sin happens in the holiest of marriages as well.

Regardless, though, it is not up to humans to decide which marriage God has or hasn’t joined together. Their personal views about what is taking place in a marriage do not matter. The outsiders have no authority to pull a marriage apart even if they do not like what one spouse is doing to another. Those that counsel women or men to divorce their abusive spouse are sinning and telling individuals to sin. That is not the Christian way.

What are some of those other verses that apply to this issue of violence in a marriage? Matthew 5 is one and Jesus said:

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. (NASB)

then there are, to quote only a few

because it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” (1 Peter 1:16 NASB)

Do all things without grumbling or disputing; Phil. 2:14 (NASB)

But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness. ! Tim. 6:11 NASB)

31 The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Mark 12 NASB)

Your abuser or any abuser is your neighbor.

There is something else that needs to be noticed. In any of these passages you do not see any escape clauses. None of these passages we have and have not quoted contain the words ‘except those caught in abusive situations. God expects his words to be followed in all situations. Whether it is an abusive marriage, a business venture, or even a sporting event. God’s word dictates how believers are to act.

Whether we like it or not, we have a duty to fulfill and that duty is to obey God at all times.

Now, we still need to address something here. The following passage of scripture points this out:

22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, (Eph 5 NASB)

We are not going to talk about verse 22 as women know it quite well. The only thing they need to be reminded about that verse is that it is not blind submission. If your husband tells you to do actual sin, then you have to obey God over them. Men you do not have the right to command your wives to sin.  Of course, the reverse is true to. Women, if you love your husbands you cannot abuse or nag them or get them to commit sin. You are to help them be holy.

What we are going to discuss are the words in bold. To understand what is meant by the words ‘just as Christ loved the church’ we have to look at the life of Christ. While he did rebuke his disciples, you will notice that Christ did not abuse them or any other of their followers. He did not lock them in a closet, take a rod to them, improperly fed or clothed them and so on.What other ways did Jesus love the church? He told it the truth. He did not let sin enter and harm his followers. He guided them gently, sometimes annoyed, but safely to the right way to live.

He did not lie to them nor keep his eye on the ‘menu’.  He did not embarrass or humiliate his church. He did not seek his own and in fact, he embodied and practiced the following passage of scripture

Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never fails

In a nutshell, that is how Christ loved the Church. He gave us men the example to follow. Notice that violence and abuse are not part of that example. Women often claim that they get whole chapters on how they are to be as a Christian wife and men get a few vague verses. Believe us women, those supposedly vague verses are filled with excruciating detail once you examine them correctly.

To understand a topic biblically, you need to expand the group of verses you study. You need to see the whole picture and be honest about what God is saying. You cannot let your subjective personal preferences influence your study, but follow the Holy Spirit to the truth and be ready to make the right changes.

For the rest of that article we linked to, it fails because it is attacking a man and provides no real scriptural basis for doing so. It seems more of a personal point of view and nothing biblical about it. Plus, it looks to blame him for things that may be beyond his control. If you stick to the truth, there will be lots of people who walk away because they do not want the truth, they want their own version of the Christian faith.

The Bible tells us that men love darkness rather than light, and the term ‘men does not exclude those claiming to be Christian. That statement is supported by all those believers who counsel men and women to divorce their abusive spouses.

If you want less violence in a marriage and more love, then follow God’s instructions correctly.




Misogyny in the Church

This is the main statement made by the SBC President Mr. Steve Gaines. He said that there is no room for misogyny in the church. He said in the article found at the following link

But what comes to our mind when we read that statement was one particular question- who is going to create the definition for misogyny in the church? Will it be men? Will it be humble true Christian women? Will it be those supposed Christian feminist women and their male supporters? Many other questions can arise but we first must look at the dictionary meaning of the term ‘misogyny’:

Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.


Webster defines misogyny as:

a hatred of women


Another question that needs to be asked and answered is ‘what actions are going to be included in this definition?’  But first we should define the 4 terms found in those dictionary definitions. All definitions will come from the Oxford dictionary at the link above:

#1. Dislike– Feel distaste for or hostility towards.

#2. Contempt– The feeling that a person or a thing is worthless or beneath consideration

#3. Prejudice– Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Dislike, hostility, or unjust behaviour deriving from preconceived and unfounded opinions.

#4. Hatred– Intense dislike; hate.

The third question that arises is how are these definitions going to be applied? Will they be employed with an objective mind or a subjective one? Those terms are defined as follows:

#1. Objective–not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

Not dependent on the mind for existence; actual.

#2. Subjective– Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions

Dependent on the mind or on an individual’s perception for its existence

Let’s go through these questions and examine the state of the church according to what is happening in certain cases we have already addressed recently.

Is saying a woman is well-built, showing hatred, dislike, prejudice or even contempt for a woman? Objectively, the answer is no.  It is describing the physical features of a woman who is attractive to the speaker. Subjectively, the answer is, depends. It depends on the mind and perception of the listener to those comments. If those minds are hyper-sensitive, then most likely the answer will be a yes. But if those minds understand and know the speaker of those words, then the answer is probably, no.

Of course, those minds may be influenced one way or the other by current secular cultural thinking. Which should not be involved when the problem is found inside the church. God’s culture is not the same as secular culture.

But what about Ms. Moore’s complaint when she was told by a male church leader that she was better looking than another woman. Was that comment something that was prejudicial, showing contempt for, disliking and hating women? No. It was a comment comparing the outward physical appearance of two women. Now of course, Ms. Moore’s mind applied a different idea to those words making her complaint subjective and not objective.

It may not have needed to be said and does show that the man thought more highly of Ms. Moore than the other lady but in no way did it reflect on either women’s intelligence, abilities or ministry. Nor did it stop either women from having a career. Because women think differently than men do, his comment was not applied properly by Ms. Moore. It was applied by her perception and assumption not actual fact or intent. She read more into the statement than the speaker said.

Then, Ms. Roys comment where she said in her article that women had no need for patriarchy. Did that comment show prejudice, dislike, contempt and hatred for male leaders? Of course it did. This conclusion is not based on perception of our minds or personal feelings and so on. It was based on the fact that the statement is very clear, the intention is very clear and the rejection of God’s stated way the church is to be guided.

Since we have studied both Christian and secular feminism we also come to the conclusion we did because of the facts surrounding the feminist movement, the rejection of God’s instructions and so on. It is not based on our personal opinion.

But what about God’s word? Can divine instruction be seen as misogyny? We should ask a few more questions. Can it be declared that the church has a prejudice against women? Or a dislike towards them? Or contempt of women? And finally a hatred for women?

For subjectivity, the answer to all those questions may be a strong yes. The way some women are described may show hatred towards women if the description is filtered through the 2 definitions of the word subjective given above. The fact that women are treated by God a little differently in their minds may also support their positive answer. Adam received a different curse than Eve, which in those subjective people’s minds is showing prejudice against women. Or the fact that women  are given a divine ban from leading the church is another piece of evidence the subjective mind would use to say that God, the Bible and the church were showing some hatred towards women.

They would be very wrong, of course. Because their opinion may be influenced by secular cultural ideology, their how personal views and a lack of the truth. One of the problems that make this issue worse than it should be is, that many women and men cannot or refuse to see the difference between real misogyny and God’s rules/instructions for the church.

We know that real misogyny takes place in the church. Many men take advantage of God’s word and use it to further their own goals or purposes. BUT the existence of misogyny in the church does not invalidate divine instruction and make those passages of scripture as part of any movement to hate women. Nor do the existence of certain passages of scripture make women second class or inferior to men. Any women who thinks that they do, are not using the objective definition for their analysis but the subjective.

There are reasons for this stand.

#1. God’s curse- God is just, fair and honest. His curse will fit the nature of the crime committed regardless of who committed the infraction. Saying God is wrong, is saying that God sinned, played favorites, is not just or fair. Many men were punished harshly for their sinful deeds just like Eve was. Remember that when God applies judgment, he is not looking to satisfy a blood lust, a hatred for women or evil. He is looking to see the sinful person to come to repentance and be restored to the faith.

As we see by Eve’s reaction when she bore Seth, his punishment worked to bring her back to a right standing with God. It was also at the birth of Seth’s son Enosh that men began to call on the name of the lord

25 Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, “God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him.” 26 To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the Lord. (Gen. 4 NASB)

#2. God’s Church- This is the sticky issue in this whole mess. Too many people think that they own the church and have the final say on all things spiritual whether it be altering divine instruction or how the church should be led and by whom. They feel that they overrule God and try to make the church after their own thinking. This attitude allows for subjectivity to reign and the truth to be thrown out the door.

But God never gave up ownership of the church. As Paul said,

He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything (Col 1:18 NASB)

The church has to use objective thinking to get to the truth and deal with the problems that arise when those people who call themselves Christian resort to subjective or secular thinking. We must also follow the Holy Spirit to the truth. We can’t get to the truth without his help.

#3. God’s Instructions- This is where everyone,  including the secular world, can see where subjectivity raises its ugly head. Too many people have their own  ideas on how the church should be run and who should lead it. Their rejection of God’s instruction tells us that they think  they know more than God and that they have the authority to alter those instructions to fit their personal ideas and perceptions.

It is why we have over 40,000 different Christian denominations and cults today. People stray from the truth and decide they cannot worship with other believers, so they go off on their own and start their own denomination. Sometimes this is done amicably and other times, the split is very traumatic and hostile. Jesus lamented this fact when he was still on this Earth. He said

Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? (Luke 6:46 NASB)

This is why so many people like those described above, think that misogyny is in the church. They disagree with God’s instructions and apply their own subjective perception to God’s word and then cause trouble for innocent men and women. They think their own ideas are better than God’s truth and apply their own ideas to certain words, statements or actions conducted by male leaders or sometimes female Christians.

This is also why Dr. Patterson and other men like him are being held to a standard they were not raised by or given prior to their saying or doing those supposedly objectionable things. This is a key fact that their attackers miss. Those attackers are applying ideas and standards that were not taught anywhere but in their own  minds, their personal families and sometimes in secular institutions.This is unfair and wrong.

SInce the secular world is not the light unto the Christian world, using their ideas and thinking is sin and lets evil dictate to God’s church and people how their lives and organizations should be run. This goes counter to biblical teaching. Since we brought up the supposed Christian feminist movement in the church and have commented on it recently, we will repeat and say that that movement is not of God, it is sin and leading people to sin. It is leading people to reject God’s instructions and following deceived and false teaching.

God’s instructions are his choice. Since he still owns the church, it is his decision on who he wants to lead it. Those who have a problem with God’s instructions should be wrestling with themselves to see how they can humble themselves and obey what God has written. God did not write the Bible and then say, okay humans, think about it and see if you can make any improvements on what I have said.

Jesus said:

If you love Me, you will keep My commandments (John 14:14 NASB)

There is no room for subjective thinking in those words. Nor are is there any room for any subjective thinking in God’s instructions. Those instructions are not misogyny in nature. God does not hate women, he has no contempt for them, he is not prejudice against them and he does not dislike his female creation. He has provided the instructions we need to follow in order to achieve living a holy life.

It is subjective thinking on some women’s, and their male supporter’s, part that says other wise. Misogyny is often read into the words, deeds and other actions of those in the church. While there are true cases of it, God’s word and his church are not misogyny in nature. Neither hate or are prejudiced against women.

Then, finally, it is not right to say that men and the church are misogyny in nature when they tell women to obey God’s word. It is misogyny when male leadership allow women to disobey God. Love does not want any person, male or female to sin. Hatred, contempt, dislike, etc., of women lets women go against God and pay the price for their disobedient acts and words.

Reminding and instructing women to adhere to the word of God is showing love for them. God said

For those whom the Lord loves He disciplines, And He scourges every son whom He receives.” (Heb. 12:6 NASB)

The rod and reproof give wisdom, But a child who gets his own way brings shame to his mother. (Prov. 29:15 NASB)

Letting women get away with sin is not showing any love for women at all. Those women who have applied their own subjective ideas to certain words spoken by male leaders need both rebuke and correction. They should not be allowed to bring evil into the church. But with that said, those in charge should make sure that the women’s allegations are true or not. An honest investigation following the HS to the truth is the only way to go.

The church does not have time to be pulled apart by subjective accusations that have little to know basis in truth. The church does not work by appeasing women.  It works when it obeys God correctly and learns the difference between terms so that they know which path to take to get to the truth. Women are not hated by the church or God. The instructions found in the Bible for them to follow are holy, divine words that need to be humbly accepted and followed.

The same goes for men. They cannot let their personal feelings about women influence their behavior but deal with those sinful feelings and exchange them for God’s way. Not only does this include abuse, it also includes those feelings that support women pursuing positions in the church that have a divine ban on females occupying them.

We are not followers of subjective thinking but the objective truth given to us by God and directed towards by the HS. No one is denying women access to God but to get to God women need to start humbling themselves and living the Christian life correctly.


Disbelieving Moses

There is no real soft way to work our way into this topic. So let’s get right into  it. In our scripture research for another recent article, we thought about some of the words of Paul that we quoted from 1 Cor. 7. Those words are

But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband.

These words are quite explicit in their warning about what the real situation of the world tends to be. Paul is telling us that the temptation and practice of sexual immorality are very real and a danger to the Christian life. For this reason, men and women are restricted to one wife and husband. But the temptation is hard to resist at times. The secular world does not believe this warning and promotes the benefits of sexual immorality as something every marriage or person should indulge in.

It is not always easy to withstand the pressure to stray or be immoral, especially when Christian men and women relax their moral standards. With the rise of supposedly Christian feminists many women are being taught to be sexually active in ways that contradict biblical teaching. Men are not always taught to be moral either. Of course, certain actions can be misread and misinterpreted and false motivations applied to the actions of men and women. Christian dating can easily fall beneath God’s moral framework because of the nature of human mating, desire for each other and so on.

It is very hard to defeat such temptations and passions when deeply involved in them. In the case of Mr. Hybels and other church leaders, they may think that they are spiritually strong enough to withstand certain pressures when tempting fate and being alone with women not their wives. Or they have not learned how to control their passion for the opposite sex correctly. We are not going to pass judgment here as we are not in the room when those situations take place. But we will offer some other another explanation for why they take place.

In John 5 Jesus told us that people will have a hard time believing his words if they refuse to believe Moses. But the problem here is that many people who call themselves Christian tend to separate the words of Jesus from the words of his disciples. They think that the red letters found in those specially marked Bibles are the only words of Jesus and the rest of the NT are the words of his disciples or Paul. They may not be aware of the following verse:

for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. (John 17: 8 NASB)

The bold worlds tell us that the disciples were not inventing their own interpretations of Jesus’ words to them. Rather the words they spoke and wrote were actually the words of Jesus.  Then as you see the first 7 words, we see that the words Jesus spoke were from his father. The words that we have in the NT and the Old, are God’s direct words to us and are not of human origin.

Paul, Peter, Luke, James, Jude and John are not turning the Christian faith into their own personal version but building on the foundation set by Jesus. They are using his words to instruct all future believers in how to live the Christian life. so when those who claim to be Christian start to stop believing Moses and his words an interesting thing takes place. They start cutting large portions of the NT out and stop believing them.  Passages like the one given in 1 Cor. 7 soon end up labeled as metaphors, fairy tales or instructions for another people at another time.

We see evidence of this in Mr. Hybels church. Passages describing the qualifications for elders and pastors are not followed by that church. In fact, the head elder for Willow Creek is a woman and they installed a woman to be lead pastor. When you start disbelieving one set of scriptures, it is easy to ignore others and walk in a sinful way.

The same thing applies to the Dr. Patterson situation. What we have seen there is political correctness rise up and influence certain people in the church to take a rather unscriptural position and action against a man who is innocent. Part of politically correct teaching is that it is not the intent of the person that matters but how the words are received. This is not biblical teaching. Biblical teaching tells us to get to the truth of the matter

I was very glad to find some of your children walking in truth, just as we have received commandment to do from the Father. (2 John 4 NASB)

Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, (1 Peter 1:22)

When people apply their one ideas to someone else’s words, they have left following the truth and applied their own ideas to someone else’s words. Then when they attack that person, they are not attacking the original speaker’s intent but their own misconceptions. That is wrong and sin. It is the person’s intent that is important not the misunderstanding of the hearer’s. It is the duty of the hearer to make sure they understood correctly and that the intent was actually meant in a bad or sinful way.

But when believers stop listening to Moses, they also stop listening to  David, when he said

How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,

Following politically correct ideology is walking in the counsel of the ungodly and not following God. People may use the passage that we must obey the government but that is misguided thinking. The example of Peter and John telling the religious or political authorities that they must obey God rather than men was not their declaring that they are not under the authority of the authorities.

It was telling them and us that when the government tells Chrstians to stop obeying God, then they cannot comply with those orders. Peter and John’s stand was not and is not an excuse to live one’s religious faith any way they felt like it. Then when people stop believing Moses, they tend to ignore some sage counsel from David’s son Solomon. The latter said:

Trust in the Lord with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. (Prov. 3:5 NASB)

When we read the arguments against Dr. Patterson and other men like him we see so many people leaning on their own understanding and not trusting God. They also used secular teaching and secular cultural ideas to form their opposition to a man who really did nothing wrong. The opposition to Dr. Patterson and others are not trusting God and have so far failed to present one real biblical argument to support their opposition. They have used their own personal understanding and preferences to protest against a leader appointed by God and that is not smart.

What makes their arguments worse, is that they are relying on secular culture to bolster their feminist position. As Ms. Roys wrote, we have had enough of patriarchy. Well, as we said in response, that means they have had enough of God and his ways. Supposed Christian feminists may not realize how much they are being used of evil to ruin the church. Their adopting of the secular feminist movements ideology in some form or another renders their opposition moot.

They are not being biblical but rebellious to God’s order of the church. They are using evil’s strategies to reform the church from something that is holy and of God to something that is secular and sinful in nature. These women turn to their own ideas and how they think the church should be as if they know better than God how to run his church.

That is also pride and arrogance. Then, the supposed Christian feminist seems to have ignored or notlearned the lesson of Eve. In the sales world it is said that if you get the wife then you get the husband. Guess who started that strategy? Evil. Satan used it on Eve to get to Adam. He knew he could not convince Adam directly to sin against God so he went after his woman. You know the rest of that story.

That same strategy is being employed right now in the supposed Christian feminist movement. Thos women do not realize, or maybe they do, how vulnerable they are to evil’s subtle attacks. By discarding Moses and his words, they also have discarded important verses designed to protect them and the home. As well as the church. Women start listening to false teaching, and that is exactly what Christian feminism is, and they start getting their husbands and families to follow sinful teaching.

The lessons of Adam and Eve, written by Moses, are very vital to the church today. Women need to take note of the OT and see how it helps make their lives much better spiritually.

You cannot have a real church, real spiritual leadership in the church when many of its people dismiss and stop believing Moses.  When you stop believing that all of the Bible is God’s word, then you are opening yourself up to all sorts of false teaching that will tickle your ears. This situation applies to both men and women. It is not the sole property of the supposed Christian feminist movement. Men make the same mistake and ruin their spiritual lives just like women do.

Moses’s words are important to the Christian life. They help protect the church and individual believers from the attacks evil has planned for them. They also help stop the character assassination and ruination of innocent men and women. Christians claim to follow Jesus and the very word Christian means Christ-like. Yet if believers stop believing Moses, then they are not following Jesus and not being Christ-like.

If we want to heal the church, then we need to get back to following the Bible correctly.


We Have Read The Apology

We do not agree with it but we are thinking that Dr. Patterson is taking the road he feels will best calm the situation down.

Of course, the apology raises questions. For example, how can you apologize for something that was not considered wrong when the statements were made? Or How can you apologize for following God’s word? Finally, how can you apologize to women who claim hurt or offense by comments made before they were born, when they were little children and had no idea if the words were bad or not? While some remarks may have been recent, no woman was targeted and they raise the offense issue not because a biblical instruction was violated but because they did not like what was said.

Pastoral ministry that occurred 54 years ago, repeated as an illustration in sermons on more than one occasion, as well as another sermon illustration used to try to explain a Hebrew word (Heb. banah ‘build or construct,’ Gen. 2:22) have obviously been hurtful to women in several possible ways,” he said in a statement published on the SWBTS website.

We feel that the apology only lends credibility to an unjust and unscriptural movement

“I wish to apologize to every woman who has been wounded by anything I have said that was inappropriate or that lacked clarity. We live in a world of hurt and sorrow, and the last thing that I need to do is add to anyone’s heartache

Sorry, but we do not feel that is an actual apology because those women are taking those words out of context and applying modern cultural, secular ideas to words that cannot be changed. Those women are making mountains out of molehills and using non-biblical teaching to do it.

“It depends on the level of abuse, to some degree,” Patterson said then. “I have never in my ministry counseled that anybody seek a divorce and I do think that’s always wrong counsel.”

It is the right counsel. For Jesus said very clearly that adultery was the only way to divorce. By allowing those women to get their way and divorce for other reasons,is allowing false teaching into the church. Jesus talked about the hardening of the hearts for why Moses let them divorce for other reasons. Then he laid down the law.

Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to [c]divorce his wife for any reason at all?” And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” They *said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give her a certificate of divorce and send her away?” He *said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. And I say to you, whoever [e]divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

THe KJV says

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

We add the KJV lest someone tries to broaden the term immorality to fit their personal preferences. The NIV limits the word immorality even further when it says

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Back to the article

He noted that only in “the most serious of cases” — when the “level of abuse was serious enough, dangerous enough, immoral enough” — he counseled temporary separation and the seeking of help.

We would agree with those words as well. Using the police, the courts and incarceration may not solve the issue but only make matters worse. We are hesitant to use law enforcement as a go-to solution. Emotions run high and injustice is often done while the problem sinks beneath the surface only to re-emerge at a later date. Only Jesus can solve the abuser’s sinful problem.

As his statements drew backlash, a 2014 sermon where Patterson described an unnamed teen girl in terms many interpreted as objectifying was subsequently released.

interpretation is not biblical. God does not instruct anyone to use interpretation. That is because the results are subjective and usually far from the truth. We are to go for the truth not someone’s subjective idea. Again, ignoring God’s teaching will lead to more problems The Psalmist had it right

Psalm 25:5
Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day. (NASB)
Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth. (NASB)
Here is a link to 192 verses talking about the truth. Christians are not to  be involved with interpretation
What we are seeing in this issue, is a group of people rejecting God’s instruction and demonizing those who follow God’s way.
As a woman at Southwestern, it has not always been easy, but ministry is not always easy. Even so, any condescension I may have experienced on occasion during my time here never came from the President directly or indirectly.”
Maybe if these seminaries and denominations stuck to biblical instruction and got rid of false teaching and those who reject biblical instruction, ministry might be easier. It may be difficult for women because they are actively seeking to disobey and ignore God’s rules. Men are at fault here also, as they let women disobey God and his instructions. That is NOT what Jesus did.
No we do not think that Dr. Patterson should have apologized. This was a non-issue raised by those women who refuse to adhere to biblical teaching. As we have said before, no woman in that group would want to have certain comments from their past made public, then used to ruin their lives. Why are they doing it to a man? Why are men letting it done?
As Ms. Roys said in her response to us, maybe it is better if a loving response was done to women… (paraphrased), well that loving response goes both ways. Plus, she does not understand the term love. Love corrects those who hold to false teaching and those who use non-biblical means to direct the church. Dr. Patterson, from what we can see is not holding to false teaching nor using non-biblical means.
Love is not just God to all humans, man to women; it is women to man and all humans to God as well.
If those women truly loved God why are they not following God’s word? Why are they seeking to disobey God?  Abuse is not an excuse to ignore what God has said. Women are not greater than God and need to humble themselves in order to obey God correctly.
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