We have removed a post we put up yesterday as we just needed to vent a little bit. But that doesn’t mean that the issues go away. One such issue is the following article
Among them, argued Greear, was the status of women and minorities in the SBC, which he believed needed to be more proportionately represented in leadership.
Leaders are not selected because they are not white or male. This is a statement we are not going to change. It is not racist or showing hatred to women but stating a real fact. There is more to leadership than choosing someone because of the color of their skin or their gender. Diversity and gender ideology are not influential factors in selecting a leader. If a man of color is qualified and God’s selection then he gets the nod. There are very good, spiritual, qualified men of color who can lead well. But again, even the disciples did not take it upon themselves to make the final choice.
The church does not practice reverse discrimination. That is sin as well. We do not keep a white male out of leadership positions simply because he is white or that women disagree with him. God does not go according to the ERA agreement. God is consistant and you will notice that the instructions for those to lead the NT church are about the same as those who were selected to lead the temple. The only requirement we have found to be altered was that NT church leaders did not have to be sons of Aaron.
This may not sit well with those people who are more progressive but Christianity is not aboout being progressive. It is about being obedient to God’s word. If you want to follow God, you cannot choose a leader who does not believe or follow God. You are only asking for trouble.
#2. Opposing God’s Annointed Leader
Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 “Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the Lord heard this.
3 (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)
4 At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. 5 Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, 6 he said, “Listen to my words:
“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
7 But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
8 With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?” (Numbers 12 NASB)
Notice first that both Aaron and Miriam found a very minute reason to start their criticism of Moses. They targeted his marriage.keep in mind that Moses married a foreign woman long before the Mosaic code was given to the people of Israel. But that was not enough to keep his brother and sister from finding fault with. Moses was humble but as we know, he was not perfect. He made his mistakes and God punished him accordingly.
But look at what God said, Moses was faithful in all of God’s house. We can read into those words a lot of things but we will not. Instead we suggest you look at the actions of those involved in attacking church leaders and see if they are correct. You cannot go by human standards since God does not go by human ideology or human standards.
Yes church leaders sin but are those sins enough to remove the man from his position of leadership? Moses was not removed from his position are we greater than God? Are we faithful in all that we do in God’s house? In otherwords, are we so perfect that we can go against God’s appointed leaders? Daniel never did, even when he was falsely accused.
The position of leadership in God’s church is not something that is to be fooled with. We read the following article
But we are not going to address it. There are too many things wrong with it and while Dr. Patterson is not perfect by whose and what standard is he being judged by? It certainly is not God’s. Interpretation is a dangerous tool to be using in the church and in judging different events or words. Using interpretation is not following any biblical instruction.
Using personal views is also a dangerous action to use. They are influenced by so many outside mitigating factors that direct a person to what is probably the wrong conclusion. Getting to the truth is following a biblical instruction and it is dangerous only for the offender. It also protects both the leader and the accuser.
We cannot oust a leader simply because a woman’s honor is at stake or it will appease a rebellious group of people.We need to consult God and make sure there is a problem first. Dealing with God’s annointed is not some arbitrary act conducted by someone who does not like the leader, the color of their skin, their gender, or by someone who is not part of the church group.
We also cannot oust a leader because of some generic personal letter or news article that is sans the right details and reads more like slander and revenge than an honest accounting of what transpired. 11 years is a long time to make the report as well. So is 20, 30 and even 5 years. Subjective views are not enough to make a case against God’s appointed leaders.
#3. Good leaders do not guarantee paradise– https://www.christianpost.com/news/sex-abuse-in-humanitarian-groups-christian-ministries-who-is-left-to-trust-223427/
In the wake of reports that Christian humanitarian ministries have been caught up in a wide net of sexual abuse allegations, many questions have emerged over who can be trusted.
While abuse of any kind is denounced, it hits a particular nerve when the people who have pledged to protect and help those in the most vulnerable situations are the abusers themselves.
Please do not think that once you get a great leader all sin and evil are gone from the church or Christian organization. Sin is going to happen because many people do not listen to their good leaders. Aachen heard Joshua’s instructions yet he still decided to sin. Many Israelites lost their lives because of that sin. These actions are not the fault of the leader. Nor cause to remove the leader from his position.
Leaders can only do so much and each person under that leadership still has the ability to exercise their right of free choice. People will also accuse good leaders of making mistakes. Those accusations generally come from those who are not privy to all the information the leader has before them. Such accusations need to be treated with a grain of salt and not quickly supported.
People should be praying for their leaders not seeking to oust them. God should be the one to lead any attempt to remove leaders from their position as it is such an emotionally charged affair that could lead to a split in the church if handled wrongly.
But again, do not expect things to be perfect when a good leader accepts their appointment. There will always be someone who disagrees with whoever is placed in leadership.
#4.When to oust a leader– https://www.christianpost.com/voice/no-andy-stanley-isnt-a-marcionite.html
Last week I witnessed one of the most bizarre things in the Christian-social-media-world (other than Christians dogmatically refusing to acknowledge President Trump’s various moral failures): Andy Stanley (yes, that Andy Stanley) has been deemed a “Marcionite.” Having listened to a decent number of his sermons over the years I found this hard to believe. After listening to the sermon in question, I’m now convinced that calling Stanley a Marcionite is so off the mark that it amounts to slander and so, these Christians should repent of it and ask his forgiveness.
That is God’s call but parishioners should not be letting their pastor go off into false teaching unchallenged. The Bible does allow for the congregation to question the theology and sermons of a pastor. No one is to blindly accept the words of a leader. You have to make sure their words are in line with the Bible. if they are not then you need to confront the pastor correctly, with real and correct evidence.
Unlike the quoted paragraph above, you should not be using personal opinion. You need to make sure you are biblically correct in your opposition but even if you are biblically correct, ouster of the pastor is not called for. He needs to be given a chance to correct his mistaken thinking first. He needs to be given the chance to repent of his error and seek God to help him get back on the right track. Grace is not limited to God.
The Bible has the correct procedure to follow.
The Association of Certified Biblical Counselors has announced that it will no longer hold its annual gathering in October at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Texas in light of the controversies surrounding the seminary’s former president Paige Patterson.
These type of actions are not justice in action but more of a piling on and an attempt to look spiritual. We do not like seeing them take place. They are more of a knee jerk response than an attempt to bring any supposed offender to repentance. We will say the same thing aboout the Roseanne debacle. Yes, she should not have said those words but the response was not just, it was not fair and certainly did not fit the alleged crime.
The response was over the top and only an attempt to look good in a bad situation. But people overreact these days and go too far in their attempts to look good and appease an individual or small group of people.The church has to be just, using God’s standard for justice and then apply mercy if mercy is called for. It is not to pile on or do knee jerk reactions to situations that had nothing to do with them.
Being in leadership is not easy. As we said earlier, there will always be someone who disagrees with your occupancy and will seek to have you removed from that position. We have experienced this first hand in the church. Our only crime was that we looked like an old boyfriend of one of the female congregants. We were let go without being able to defend ourselves. We were never treated in a just or fair manner.
The unfair expectations placed on leaders is a standard no one can live up to. Then when the secular ideologies are incorporated into the congregation’s thinking, it is even more difficult to lead people. When the people of Israel complained, God was ready to wipe them out. We should be more careful in how we handle leadership positions and the people who fill them.
None of this gives those people who fill leadership positions permission to do as they please. They need to humble themselves and see what instructions God has given those who do accept being a leader of God’s people. Then they need to obey those instructions. Leaders need wisdom but so do those who follow them.