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Unearthing Atlantis 2

From time to time we will be taking quotes from that book and look at them here. Today’s quote comes from near the end of the book.

Clark is the man who invented the communication satellite…Long before anyone had gone to the moon, even before the first satellite had been orbited, he had written a story about a Jesuit priest’s voyage to another solar system, where an extinct civilization was being excavated. The civilization, a remarkably refined one, had died under the glare of a supernova– which turned out to be the Star of Bethlehem…but the paradox was the same, I pointed out, If God wanted to strike fear into the Pharaoh, why did he need Thera? Why was it necessary to destroy innocents hundreds of miles away? (pg. 286)

The key to understanding God’s methods, if he used Thera to help free the Hebrews from Egypt is found in the word ‘innocents’. Yes the Minoans were not guilty of helping the Egyptians to be slaves and they may not have encouraged the Egyptians to enslave the Hebrews but that does not meant hat they are innocent people. They may be innocent of the slavery issue BUT we do not know everything about the Minoans and their involvement in Egypt’s affairs.SO they may not have been innocent after all.We just do not know.

With that said, even if they were innocent of the slavery crime that still does not make them innocent in God’s eyes. The use of Thera would be two-fold. First, IF God used Thera for the plagues, and we cannot be sure if he did or not, he did so to free his people from their slavery. Second, IF Thera was done on the Minoans as part o God’s judgment, it was done to punish the Minoans for their sins, disobedience., and their rejection of him and his ways. They were not innocent in God’s eyes. God may have stuck two birds with one stone.

It can be argued that the Minoans did not have a biblical witness to their civilization. BUT that is another argument from silence. we do not know who God sent to preach to this civilization or what person they came in contact with in their many travels around the globe. The existence of Melchizedek tells us that God had a witness long before Moses and it stands to reason he would have more witnesses available for the people of the ancient world. His love for his creation did not begin with the NT thus, like Jonah being sent to Nineveh it is consistent for him to have someone preaching to the other nations as well. God does not punish haphazardly, for the pleasure of it or because he is some homicidal maniac. His punishments are just even to those in the OT world.

Regardless, how one defines the word ‘innocent’ depends upon if they are looking at things from a limited perspective, a human one or a divine one. Dr. Pellegrino is using the first two perspectives. He is limiting his definition to the human perspective and limiting it to just the Egyptian /Hebrew slavery issue. Christians cannot do this. They need to see things from God’s perspective if they are going to provide the correct answer to the secular world and not harm their faith.

Getting the right definition is important if one wants the truth.

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When They Get It Wrong

The following quote is taken from Charles Pellegrino’s book Unearthing Atlantis, pg. 53-4:

…you’d see immediately that volcanoes are not merely bringers of tidal waves and fiery death. They were also bringers of life. Indeed, there is every indication from laboratory experiments, that hot volcanic rocks were needed about 4 billion years ago, to concentrate amino acids into little clumps and strings of proteinaceous spheres, into protocells- that eventually became us. It is very likely that without volcanoes there would be no life on earth today.

Dr. Pellegrino draws that conclusion from his observation of giant worms that lived near volcanoes under the ocean. These worms had no faces or rear ends, nor even digestive systems as we know them. These worms live off sulfides that come from these undersea volcanoes and the bacteria  in their tissues keeps these worms alive. In a nutshell that is Dr. Pellegrino’s evidence supporting his statement in the quote above.

The problem with that observation is that it is nowhere near the truth. His mis-identification leads people in the wrong direction. There is no evidence connecting volcanoes with the origin of life and there is no evidence that connects those worms and where they get their nourishment from to any evolutionary theory or development of life. It is a big stretch to jump to that conclusion when all Dr. Pellegrino could do was watch these worms through a submarine window or study a dead sample. What he witnesses was worms congregating around a spot which turns out to be its food source.

Having a food source does not equate with origins of life nor does it make connections to life development. All Dr. Pellegrino witnessed was a bunch of worms feeding. Everything else is read into that little snapshot of the worms’ lives. His conclusion is like watching a herd of horses eat in a pasture then assuming that grass has something to do with the origin of life and that without dirt and life, no one would exist. It is far-fetched. That is the problem when you read the ideas of those who do not accept nor believe the truth. You get far-fetched ideas that have nothing to do with reality.

Volcanoes did not help originate life. They may be a food source for giant worms and other weird creatures but that is the extent of their contribution to that aspect of life. Food sources speak nothing to the origin of life. That is a totally different and separate event.

Because the unbeliever does not accept the biblical account of creation then our origin remains a mystery to them. They continually look for the wrong answer by walking down the wrong paths and looking in the wrong places. But then the Bible tells us that people today will willingly be deceived and we see the truth of that verse every time unbelievers reject the truth and create these far-fetched theories.

 

The Sea People Update

For us, the jury is still out concerning the Sea peoples and their involvement in the Middle East. But that doesn’t stop the archaeological world. here is an update on the Sea People. We will quote large portions of it from this newsletter.

http://patternsofevidence.com/blog/2017/10/20/ancient-sea-peoples-tablet-deciphered-are-they-the-biblical-philistines/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Thinker85SeaPeople&utm_term=&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Thinker85SeaPeople&inf_contact_key=31e8a5f0febc0c9e649b5758ab28f0e36f7cc3af06dd4a063c9b689a4273c36f

Archeologists believe they have found the key to unlocking a mystery millennia in the making, uncovering how advanced civilizations in the lands of the Bible were invaded by so-called ‘sea-people’ in 1190 B.C. . .” according to Newsweek.com. The “Sea Peoples” have long been suspected of playing a key role in ending the prosperous Bronze Age in the eastern Mediterranean, and plunging many societies into prolonged dark periods. They also are involved in one of the chief objections to the idea of shifting Egypt’s timeline, allowing a link between archaeological evidence and the Bible’s Exodus account.

Newsweek tells how researchers recently translated the Luwian hieroglyphics on a 95-foot-long limestone tablet found in 1878. These hieroglyphics were the official recorded language of an ancient civilization in southwestern Turkey. The origin of the tablet appears to have been King Kupanta-Kurunta, a ruler in western Asia Minor who (the tablet says) sent his armies by land against the Hittite Empire to the east, and then, via a fleet of ships, down along the eastern Mediterranean coast.

According to Newsweek, the tablet claims that Kupanta-Kurunta’s armies “invaded a number of ancient coastal centers in modern-day Syria and Israel, building a fortress in Ashkelon and eventually advancing as far as ancient Egypt…”

The Philistines are thought to be one of these “Sea Peoples” who ended up occupying the coastal cities of Canaan and became Israel’s arch enemies during the period when Israel was governed by a series of judges. They continued to battle Israel’s first kings: Saul and David.

Sampson, who judged Israel for 20 years and put to death many Philistines, was chained between two columns during a Philistine celebration. In a final act of supernatural strength, he brought the house down on his Philistine captors…

While the 3,200-year-old tablet appears to give credence to a military campaign that may have birthed the Philistines of the Bible, this line of thinking is still in question.

The Luwian Studies Foundation, which is preparing to publish its findings on the stone, admits there is an “unfinished argument” over whether the inscription is authentic. Dr. Eerhard Zangger, president of the foundation, told the Times of Israel recently, “We think it’s too long and complicated grammatically to have been forged by anybody…”

There have been some archeological expeditions—one of them at Ashkelon—at what the researchers considered Philistine cemeteries. The Ashkelon dig found bodies interred in a similar manner to bodies around the Aegean Sea, leading to speculation that the Philistines may have indeed been related to the “Sea Peoples.” These findings have also been challenged.

So, while the translation of the Luwian hieroglyphs lends some credence to the Bible, with its description of “Sea Peoples” conquering the coastal regions of the Promised Land, there is still much work to do. Scholars will need to determine exactly who the Philistines were and whether or not this 3,200-year-old stone document is, in fact, genuine…

Here is the title in case the link doesn’t work

ANCIENT “SEA PEOPLES” TABLET DECIPHERED – ARE THEY THE BIBLICAL PHILISTINES?

 

A Pledge

We talked in a previous post about how you cannot serve two masters. This became more evident when we were watching this great video made by Red Skelton, a comedian who died 20 years ago. He does a great rendition of the pledge and reminds everyone of the seriousness of making it and how deep that pledge goes. We find that many people who live within America’s borders have lost sight of what their pledge means. here is a link to that video

 

With that said, we believe that no believer can pledge their allegiance to both God and his kingdom and an earthly nation. You cannot be aligned to both. You have to make a choice. You are either a patriot for the earthly nation or you are a patriot for God and his kingdom. Unfortunately, like the American Pledge of Allegiance, most believers have lost sight of what being a member of God’s kingdom really means and they have no concept of that membership’s depth and seriousness. They also do not understand the cost of being a member of God’s kingdom. Such membership means leaving earthly patriots behind and working for an eternal kingdom that unbelievers will hate because its light will expose how dark their lives are.

 

 

An Explanation

We received a comment a few days ago which does bother us as it demonstrates a misunderstanding of what we do here. We will use that comment, NOT to discourage people from commenting or criticizing us, but to make sure people actually understand what we do on this website. In other words take the following as something that will help guide your comments in the future. We are not attacking the person who made the comment but want to clarify different points so that there is no misunderstanding.

It seems to me that between this post and your post about the Las Vegas shooting (which unfairly declares that “many youth leaders” are ill-equipped to handle such situations with their youth groups), your main issues seem to be personal disagreements with christianpost.com. Perhaps you should discuss your opinions with the editor

We could do that but Christian Post has removed their comment section except for a few entries under their blog section. We are saying that from memory so we may be mistaken on which section they allow comments. Also we have in the past sent in letters to the editors but like everyone else, they get to decide what they will publish. Like everyone else they will choose whom they will take direction from, if they didn’t they would go crazy trying to please everyone. When we provide entries from Christian Post it is because there is something in the story we want to discuss here and provide better information to our readers. We are not attacking the reporters or Christian Post but simply want to address certain issues that arise with their information. We would love to use different Christian news sources but at the moment it is not feasible for us to do it at this time.

and devote your blog here to illustrating ways in which archaeology defends biblical claims – as the name of your blog suggests?

The name of our blog is theologyarchaeology and in no way does that name imply any purpose other than that we will discuss those topics that fall into those two categories. From time to time we may stray from that purpose only because we may want a break or there is something interesting to discuss. For the most part we limit ourselves to theology, archaeology and under those two categories comes different sub-groups like history, homosexuality, transgenderism, Bible, family and so much more. While we believe in Jesus Christ as God’s son and Savior, we will defend the Bible and its perspective but our name does not suggest that. WE reserve the right to discuss whatever we want, after all it is our blog. If you want things done differently, please go start your own blog and do it the way you want.

And rather than defending alien-theorists over archaeologists, understand that archaeology is an evolving science that seeks to present historical facts, regardless of religious affiliation, and that “experts” are actually highly educated in their field including theories, histories, techniques, and interpretations?

We have never defended any alien theory or theorist except possibly to say that they have a right to their opinion and get to publish on their websites whatever they want. We have never agreed with any alien theorist and only look to their work to see if there is any new evidence that we have not heard about. We do the same for secular archaeologists no matter if they are in the maximalist or minimalist schools of thought. We also have to read them if we are going to speak intelligently when we refute their ideas and theories.

The concept of ‘a developing science’ is misleading. It sends the wrong message including that archaeology is not qualified to speak about the past. Holding to such an idea only interferes and hinders ones archaeological work. It also tells others that the person holding to such ideas are not following the Holy Spirit to the truth; they are following the secular mindset and that is wrong for any Christian to do. Oh and please do not structure your comments in the manner that comes across like you do not think we know anything. We have been study archaeology, theology and other subjects for over 30 years now. Please keep that in mind when you write you responses to our work. We know that the ‘experts’ are highly educated in the field of archaeology and other topics but highly educated does not make them free from error or infallible; especially if they are unbelieving experts. The Bible tells us that the unbeliever does not have the Spirit of Truth in them so we must listen to the Bible over these unbelieving experts. We will add that those words also apply to many ‘Christian’ experts as well. They ma claim to be Christian but do not believe God, follow his instructions and so on.

Science does not try to present historical facts. Those in science strive for the best explanation not facts. That has been told to  me over and over by scientists and other people in scientific research fields. We (Theologyarchaeology) like facts and the truth but science does not. If scientists and others in scientific research fields went for the truth they would have to toss their life’s work out the window and accept the Bible. The Bible also does not instruct anyone to go for interpretation. It clearly tells us to go for the truth and there is a big difference between the two.

As an aspiring archaeoloist and Christian, I was greatly intrigued by the name of your blog, which is why I subscribed to it, but after about a week’s worth of disappointing posts, I think it’s time for me to move on. Best wishes for your future – may your blog genuinely be used for the glory of God.

We are glad that the commentator is a Christian and likes to pursue archaeology but the first lesson they need to learn is to follow the Bible first. You cannot serve two masters thus you will either follow God and his ways or you will follow evil and theirs. There is NO gray area with God.The Bible is very clear on that fact.

It is sad that person decided to only judge us on a mere week’s worth of posts without regard to the total content of this blog as well as what is gong on in our lives at the time we write. We are not perfect, we are not immune to problems, feelings and other influences so we do not guarantee that every post is going to be perfect. it is wrong to assume that we are and them expect us to perform to individual and personal expectations we know nothing about. Of course, even if we did know about them, we would not perform to them as that is not the Christian duty. We are to obey God and write what he wants not what our readers would like to see. It is unfair to make such judgments based upon such a limited view of what is involved in our lives. Why not pray for us instead of condemning us?

We have taken and received no outside support for this work so it is also unfair for anyone to try to tell us what to write. Even if someone did contribute, we would not change our purpose  and write what they demanded. They are not whom we serve. Their contribution would be an expression of obedience to God and support of our effort as fellow believers not as owners of this website who get to dictate what our content is. For future reference please eliminate such comments from your posts. If you are disappointed we can’t help that for the most part, how you view our work is up to you. Just quietly move on please if we are not your cup of tea.

We hope this helps.

 
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Posted by on October 20, 2017 in Uncategorized

 

Unearthing Atlantis

And no, the title is not in response to the comment made in the In The News 24 entry of a few days ago. This title is exactly the same as the Charles Pellegrino book that discusses Thera and its relationship to Atlantis. Those people who place the destruction of Atlantis at 9000+ years ago are sadly misguided. Our theory coincides with others who think that Plato and the Egyptian priests were referring to the disappearance of the Minoan society in roughly the middle of the 1600s BC. The idea that Atlantis was some super race of humans who were so far advanced that it makes our modern civilizations look like hunter-gatherers is also far-fetched. Atlantis is just another name for the Minoans who existed for approx. 1500 years before God allowed them to be destroyed. We have to use the word allow because we do not know if God destroyed them for their sins or they were just unfortunate victims of a volcano and God acted to save a remnant of them, later called the Philistines. Archaeology and science cannot answer that question.

We are talking about the Minoans and Dr. Pellegrino’s book today because we came across it the other day as we were looking at used books in one of e of the very few used books stores in this country. It is a great book with a lot of great information and facts. We had it in our library for almost 20 years before we lost it in a move ad we are happy to have it again. The reason for that is as we are re-reading Dr. Pellegrino’s work we came across a very interesting piece of information that either we missed or forgot about. That tidbit is quite informative

The town that S. Marinatos discovered under all the ash dumped on it by the volcanic eruption, was actually built upon another, earlier town that was also buried by a volcanic eruption. There is not much information on that town because the work on Akrotiri is slow. Excavations have been on going for the one town for approx. 50 years. This information, of course, turns our minds to the pre-flood world and we wonder if that underlying buried town was not evidence for the pre-flood world and the flood. The Minoans are considered the ancestors or fellow Philistines due to this verse found in Amos

Amos 9:7“Are you not as the sons of Ethiopia to Me, O sons of Israel?” declares the Lord. “Have I not brought up Israel from the land of Egypt, And the Philistines from Caphtor and the Arameans from Kir?

Which may be a reason why no skeletons or bodies associated with Akrotiri have ever been found on Thera. It would be nice to learn more about the buried town that the current ancient city Akrotiri was built upon. In all the years we have been doing archaeology, Dr. Pellegrino’s book is the only source that mentions its existence.

For those who think that you cannot do archaeology with the Bible in one hand and a spade in the other are sadly misguided. The Bible contains far more ancient clues to ancient societies and civilizations than most ancient sources do. We would be hurting for information and discovering far less about our past if we relied upon archaeologists to dig up some ancient record that mentions the many societies that the Bible talks about. Don’t listen to the secular archaeologist (or even the supposed Christian ones) who say that the Bible cannot be used in archaeology. It can for it is a historical book and its pages are filled with actual history, peoples and civilizations.

The problem most believers have when they do archaeology (or any science) is that they listen to those unbelieving archaeologists (and scientists) who think they know more than God. When they do this they end up destroying their own faith and leaving salvation behind. That is a grave mistake. Archaeology has to be done by looking for the truth and following the spirit of truth or the person doing archaeology (or science in general) ends up thinking the Bible is in error. The Bible is never wrong.

God does not write errors to be corrected by sinful, fallible man who is so far removed from history that it is laughable that they think they know much about our past. God was there and saw it all thus it makes more sense to follow his instructions and take his word for it than any other alternative.

 

 

For Further reading:

http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/cycladic-excavation-Akrotiri-Thera.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1967/12/the-promise-of-thera/303778/

http://www.santorini-islandguide.com/ancient-santorini

There are far more source of information than these three. We just picked three to place here to get you started. We also like Dr. Pellegrino’s book Return to Sodom and Gomorrah as it is a great source on this island and buried city.

 

Archaeology Documentaries

This is a good documentary on ancient technology

 

The following video, if you can get past the alien and other weird thinking, provides evidence for our theory that the pre-flood world civilization constructed the mysterious ancient structures that scientist know nothing about. We also like the lecturer’s challenge of mainstream archaeological thinking

 

We hope you enjoy them and place your comments below. We would like to create a discussion on these videos and their content.

 
 
 
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