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News stories you should be praying about

There are serious issues Christians and churches are facing. They may not affect you now, but that does not matter. We need to pray regardless even if the issue does not touch our lives.We will only be giving snippets here so please click on the links to get the full story. Also, these requests should be giving ideas to those who live outside of the United States on what to pray for and who to pray for.

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#1.Has California Lost Its Mind?–  https://www.christianpost.com/voice/has-california-lost-its-mind-shane-idleman.html

Google “California school district says parents can’t pull kids from new LGBT sex ed,” and you can read the alarming article for yourself. A “toolkit” that offers kids tips on using sex toys and doing things that cannot be written in this article is one of the controversial aspects, and parents may not be able to opt out. Our arrogance as a state, and as a nation, is appalling. School districts throughout California should be held accountable

#2.Atheists Looking to Impose $1B Taxes on Churches as Pastors Warn of Devastating Impacthttps://www.christianpost.com/news/atheists-impose-1b-taxes-churches-pastors-ministerial-housing-tax-exemption-223302/

A group of Chicago pastors are speaking up on behalf of clergy everywhere in America in their latest federal appeals court effort fighting against a lawsuit that they say could cost houses of worship as much as $1 billion in new taxes.

The non-profit law firm Becket explained in a press release last week that Pastor Chris Butler of Chicago Embassy Church went before an appeals court on Thursday in the latest chapter of the Gaylor v. Mnuchin case, looking for a reversal on an earlier decision that went against the clergy.

The case is significant, because the Freedom From Religion Coalition is suing the IRS in the hopes of ending a 64-year-old federal tax provision, the ministerial housing tax exemption, that allows faith leaders to receive tax-free housing allowances

Why is this the FFRC’s business? They go too far in their hatred of religion.

#3.Atlanta Pastor Says He’ll Make Aerialists Regular Part of Worship; Some Say He’s Gone Too Farhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/atlanta-pastor-says-hell-make-aerialists-regular-part-of-worship-some-say-hes-gone-too-far-223319/

An Atlanta pastor who announced on social media that he plans to make performances by aerialists a regular part of his church’s worship service has raised concern among some critics who believe the gymnasts might be too distracting for the public.

The pastor, Apostle Bryan Meadows who founded Embassy Church International five years ago, made the announcement on Instagram on April 9 where he posted both photos and video of an aerialist performing at a Christian conference during a worship service.

Do pastors and churches realize who they are worshipping? Do they understand what worship really is? This article serves as an example  only.

#4.Courts and the Cause of Christ: Why Christians Need to Carehttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/courts-and-the-cause-of-christ-why-christians-need-to-care.html

Sometime between now and June, the U.S. Supreme Court will render its decision in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case. This is the case in which owner and cake artist Jack Phillips was taken to court because he could not in good conscience design custom items that celebrate events or express messages in conflict with his religious beliefs. Jack Phillips is motivated by his Christian beliefs and is attempting to faithfully fulfill his deeply rooted religious beliefs. He is seeking justice in the arena of law.

We need to pray for our court system and that God’s justice and wisdom prevail. This case is also an example, as all courts and judges, lawyers etc., need prayer.

#5.Youth, Schools and Violence: Where Has Society Gone Wrong?https://www.christianpost.com/news/youth-schools-and-violence-where-has-society-gone-wrong-222811/

As the United States has by far more deadly shootings occurring in its schools than any other developed nation, many are left wondering if there are elements of today’s American society that are partially to blame, or at least play a factor, when it comes to the troubling influx of deadly school massacres.

“Where has our society gone wrong?” some might ask.

The sincere prayers of parents go a long way in preventing youth problems. Let your kids hear you prayer for them. Show them that you care by praying for them all the time. Not just for good grades or protection from violence ptray for their spiritual health

#6.Pastor Tim Challies Warns Christians Against Using Virtual Reality Pornhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-tim-challies-warns-christians-against-using-virtual-reality-porn-223300/

Pastor Tim Challies of Grace Fellowship Church in Toronto, Ontario, has said that virtual reality pornography is the “next frontier” in technology, and is warning Christians about its harms.

Challies said on his website Monday that he’s had many opportunities in the last few years to talk about pornography and technology, and the risks that have emerged.

“The rise of the internet provides a ready example. When the internet first came along, we all dutifully signed up for accounts and began to explore this new medium. We surfed and chatted and downloaded and shopped,” he wrote.

Men you need to get your sexual desires and lusts under control. You need to learn some boundaries, especially those pastors who like to touch women who are not their wives. Let God help you resist temptation. It is not okay to look at the menu when you are married or involved seriously with a woman.

Women, how you treat your husband or boyfriend either makes this issue worse or it can help make it better. The choice is yours on how you treat your loved one.

#7.Pastor Jailed and Tortured for Preaching Shares Horrors Christian Prisoners Face in Vietnamhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-jailed-and-tortured-for-preaching-shares-horrors-christian-prisoners-face-in-vietnam-223166/

Evangelical pastor Nguyen Cong Chinh will always have the scar on top of his head to remind him of the years that he was imprisoned, beaten and tortured for daring to advocate on behalf of indigenous people groups being denied human rights by Vietnam’s communist government.

Having been arrested over 200 times for his human rights advocacy over a span of three decades, it wasn’t until Chinh was jailed in 2011 and sentenced to 11 years’ imprisonment for “undermining national solidarity” by violating a preaching ban in the Central Highlands that his persecution started gaining international attention.

Another example touching on a broad subject. But remember being persecuted and martyred does not make one a Christian. Salvation is only through Jesus.

#8.GQ Editors Bash Bible as ‘Foolish Book’ Not Worth Reading-https://www.christianpost.com/news/gq-editors-bash-bible-sententious-foolish-book-you-dont-have-to-read-223223/

GQ magazine editors have published a list of 21 books they say aren’t worth reading despite them being seen as the great books. The Bible is listed at No. 12 because, they claim, it’s “not the finest thing that man has ever produced,” and it’s “self-contradictory” and “foolish.”

“The Holy Bible is rated very highly by all the people who supposedly live by it but who in actuality have not read it,” the editors write in an article titled, “21 Books You Don’t Have to Read,” published this week.

People’s attitude concerning God, Jesus, the Bible and the Christian faith. Both Christians and non-Christians need these prayers.

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The Biblical Framework Of Race

It seems some pastors want to have their names in the news. So they speak about controversial topics and make sure the news media hears about it. That seems to be the case for the pastor who is the subject of the following article:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/matt-chandler-says-pastors-who-address-racism-outside-of-biblical-framework-sabotage-chance-of-change-223266/

Matt Chandler, pastor of The Village Church in Highland Village, Texas, said that pastors who fail to address the issue of racial injustice within the framework of the Gospel ultimately “sabotage” any chance for true change.

Yet throughout the article, we do not get an inside look at what is the biblical framework Mr. Chandler talks about. We do get a lot of rhetoric though:

So if the atoning work of Jesus Christ is an offense to accomplish racial harmony, then let’s get rid of the atoning work of Jesus Christ and simply make Jesus’s platform one of social embetterment, and that has happened on repeat,” he continued. “Monsters have come through this door before and ultimately sabotaged the hope of those that got involved in these movements. I think that by keeping the social aspects tied to the Gospel and to the atoning work of Jesus Christ, we’ve gotten the best bet at actually seeing movement in these movements.”

One would think that if anyone is speaking on the biblical framework, they would at least quote some scriptures to illustrate their idea of the biblical framework. What we get is Mr. Chandler’s ideas not the Bible’s. In looking up the word race in the NASB we were given  a few verses that included the term. In Ezra we read

For they have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has intermingled with the peoples of the lands; indeed, the hands of the princes and the rulers have been foremost in this unfaithfulness.” (9:2)

What we are seeing is not God agreeing with the evolutionist and stating that there are several different human races. Instead, we see God telling us that the people are divided. There is the holy group and the unholy group. Both make up multiple nations, colors, genetic structures, languages and so on. We say the OT holy race was not limited to the Israelites because people from other nations did join them. Rahab is the most famous.

The book of Nahum uses the word race to refer to actual competitions:

The chariots race madly in the streets, They rush wildly in the squares, Their appearance is like torches, They dash to and fro like lightning flashes. (2:4)

Mark comes the closest to the modern use of the term when he said:

Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. (7:26)

But we see that the term is used to indicate nationality not another human race that had evolved over the millennia. So if Mr. Chandler wants to say there is a biblical framework, then maybe he should leave the secular world’s ideas about humans and their nationalities out of his thinking. His and so many other people claiming to be Christian distort the real issue of racism.

It is not as they claim a matter of racism, race and so on. It can’t be as there is only one human race and everyone descended from Adam & Eve. But here is what they say:

Chandler added that the first step the Church must take in addressing racism is to simply talk about it.

If we look at the Bible we see the real issue and it is, as we have said, not about race or racism. It is about hatred and other sins. When we label the problem correctly, then we have the right solution. If we do not, as Mr. Chandler and others like him do, then we can never find the right solution. The idea of more than one race originated with evolutionists and other unbelievers. It is not taught by God. God has taught us that there is only one human race, the one he created in the beginning.

Since the issue, then, is not about race relations, we know that it has to be a sin issue. Now that we know that the origin of this supposed racism, we know that evil is behind the whole mess. Once we identify that, we know what to do. We lead people to Christ and we get rid of the evil and sin in people. When the evil and sin are gone, then racial issues disappear. people see the truth and that the supposed racism was just sin and hatred for differences

But as long as supposed and real Christians keep using the unbeliever’s thinking of multiple human races then they will not solve the problem. They will just divert it and let it continue. The Bible tells us not to follow the secular world. They are the ones who are lost, blind and deceived. They are the ones that need the light. it is not the Christian world.

The Christian world could solve the issue of racism if they accepted the truth of God which tells us that there is only one human race. Then preach the truth to the lost world. Christians preaching the message of the lost world only confuses God’s people and leads them to false teaching.

Does this men that the black people and other people of color must reassess and change what they have staked their identities on? Of course it does. If their preachers are not going to preach the truth and lead their people to God’s knowledge, then the White pastor needs to do it. The White pastor does not join those going the wrong way.

“There is no way forward if white pulpits won’t talk,” heh said. “King said rightly in the end that ‘we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends.'”

If the White Christians are supposed to say something, then let it be the truth of God. They need to cast the light so others can see the right way to go. The biblical framework of racism is that there is no such thing as racism, just sin. We know how to handle sin- lead people to the cross of Jesus and let him redeem them and make them new creatures.

 

Youth Ministry

We have indirectly talked about youth ministries in the past. But we doubt we have directly focused articles on that ministry. We are sure we were hard on youth pastors and we probably will be again. Why? Because most of  them are not properly trained nor have the correct attitude. These two issues are a topic for another day. We are not targeting those church members who volunteer to work with youth. Their efforts should be commended but unfortunately, they may not be up to the task.

Our purpose for writing is the following article

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/3-reasons-why-you-should-consider-serving-in-youth-ministry.html

We hope not to criticize or condemn but to merely add our comments to those given and then  address a few points raised by that article.

That one student you loved on that one Wednesday night….that same Wednesday night you had a horrible day at work, were tired, and didn’t feel like serving…that one student could be the next Billy Graham, the next President, a missionary who leads hundreds to Jesus, a pastor, a youth pastor, or just someone the Lord uses to reach a whole generation.

We are actually starting at the bottom of that article because it highlights a danger that comes with youth ministry. These are the WRONG reasons to enter the ministry with youth. We are not saying it can’t happen but these issues should not be part of any youth ministry. They are distractions and can lead to confusion, disappointment and disillusionment in the youth leader.

The youth leader should be getting involved with young people because there is a need to develop the young minds spiritually. The burden of the youth leader should be to get the young people the truth, the correct answers to their questions, and to help them mature and grow up. Life is not easy and the parents may appreciate the extra help preparing their children.

This brings us to another issue which needs another article to deal with it properly. I believe it was Ken Ham who has written on the loss of young people once they have entered college. Many, many young people toss away their faith because they were not properly trained to face the skepticism, the unbelief, the hate-filled attitudes of their professors. This is a growing concern.

REASON #1: THERE’S A NEED

Yes there is a need. Sadly, parents are not always equipped to hamdle the spiritual needs of their children and that is the fault of Senior pastors, church leaders and so on. As well as the parents themselves. The parents were given the charge to teach their children but that does not stop the whole community from teaching young people the ways of God, his commandments and his instructions. If you read Deut. 4 you will see God’s teaching instructions to his people.

God also provides the reasons for his instructions. If you do not want to stop at Deut. you can do a word study on education, learning, teaching and similar words and see what God wants parents, youth ministers and pastors to do.

And, if I may speak openly, our children are our biggest commodity. Why wouldn’t we want to invest as much as we can into them? They literally are the future!

This we disagree with. Young people are not a commodity and should not be thought of in such terms. They should be thought of as sinful people who need Jesus as their savior. Then after conversion, they need to be taught correctly so that they fear God and obey his instructions correctly. Adults are the children’s future. How adults teach their chilren will be how they act when  the yong person grows up. The Bible tells us this- raise up the child in the path that he shall go and he will not depart from it (we paraphrased a bit).

Parents are to train their children correctly if the child is going to have a good future. The responsibility to train young people falls to the parents first.

REASON #2: BY SERVING YOU SERVE GOD

This is also true. You do serve God by working with youth correctly. We need to add the word correctly because if what you do is not of God or you teach that God is wrong, then you are not servig God but serving someone else. The Bible speaks of false teachers and these people teach youth today. False teachers claim to be Christian, yet willfully teach things God, Jesus and the Bible did not teach. The word willfully has to be added because some people do make mistakes or do not understand scripture fully but they are not false teachers, they are merely mistaken, misguided or do not know enough to teach others.

I dare say, would we be hindering students coming to Jesus by choosing not to invest in them if God has clearly told us He wants us to serve in student ministry?

This we do not totally agree with because of the wording. The writer may not understand the passage he is alluding to and quoted earlier in the paragraph. it is doubtful if you say no to the call to serve God in youth ministry that you are hindering anyone from knowing Jesus. You are just being disobedient. God can and will raise someone else up to do the ministry.

The heavy-handed phrasing in that quote is not right and it is laying guilt on those who may not feel that call nor have the desire to work with youth. Pastors tend to go a little overboard in their application of the Bible when they see a need they want filled.

REASON #3: IT PAYS DIVIDENDS

While this does take place, it is the wrong reason to get involved with youth. We do not go into youth minstry to get rewards, etc. We go in because we love God and we want to bring the truth to the lives of the young. We want to teach them correctly, answer thier questions with the truth, and guide them through life until they know how to do it themselves.

We do not go into ministry for our own selfish ideas.

Are you the type of person who likes to make investments and make a profit on such investments? Investing in the lives of students pays dividends. Student ministry is considered both the hardest ministry in the church, the most often overlooked and under appreciated ministry, and yet, at the same time, one of the most rewarding ministries in the church

We will disagree with all of this and a lot more that is not quoted but found in that paragraph. These are the wrong reasons to go into any ministry. Plus, every ministry is difficult, under-appreciated but still rewarding. These words are mere manipulation not God-given reasons to enter youth ministry. One main thing we do not like about this article is that God’s word seems to be absent and not supporting their plea.

I’m not writing this to make you feel guilty, to sway you, or make you feel like you have to serve in youth ministry. I just wanted to share three reasons why you should consider serving. The first step is to seek the Lord. Ask God if He wants you to serve in youth ministry. If He does, don’t hesitate. Jump in as soon a possible.

Too late.  He should have started the article and his 3 reasons with the rest of that quote. But as we heard in a lecture from Dr.Jimmy Dirrado in our undergrad days, sometimes you can volunteer and say to God, I want to serve you. The Bible backs that up when Paul wrote the words “if any man desires the office…” Serving in the ministry does not depend on a call. You can have a simple desire to do that work. BUT you need to meet the requirements first.

Teaching the truth is not easy and James warns us about becoming a teacher. You need to make sure you understand what you are getting yourself into. Youth or any ministry is not just any other type of job. It is important, you are representing God and his words and need to lead the people to God correctly.

Besides, as a youth pastor, we will never turn down someone who genuinely wants to serve and is able. Of course, there are background checks, screenings, and such before we let someone serve in our student ministry. We don’t just let anyone just show up and serve at M2L Students without first talking with us

The problem with this process is that it leaves God out of the mix. It also stops people who have had their lives changed by Jesus from entering the ministry and serving God. The secular world does not place the requirements on God’s work. God does and we need to look to him for confirmation and direction. The disciples did not look to secular government when they sought to replace Judas or other disciples.

Jesus did not follow secular government when he changed the life of Paul and then sent him into ministry. We are not to look at the surface and disqualify someone God has cleansed and appointed to be a minister. We follow God and his requirements.

But anyone that show interests we inquire about and we allow the Lord to direct us from there. Wherever you…whatever church you call home….will you allow the Lord to direct your next steps if you feel the Holy Spirit nudging you to serve in your church’s youth minsitry?

No one can change their past. It should not be held over their heads. The past is often used to ignore the truth, the work of evil and the redemptive nature of Christ. But this does not mean we blindly accept people either. We need discretion, discernment, and look to God for help when appointing someone to ministry. The disciples did,so should we. We need to recognize our limitations when it comes to the hearts of men.

Also, do a word study on  the term ‘truth’ and see who God is and what he wants taught to his creation.

 

In The News 27

Time for that broad look at certain events that have taken place recently. Let’s get right to it.

#1. Megachurcheshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/are-megachurches-biblical-evangelical-professor-explains-what-is-non-negotiable-223190/

Are Megachurches Biblical?

It is a good question and the simple answer is the size of the church does not matter. You can have biblical megachurches or you can have biblical smaller ones. God does not limit biblically qualified churches to a certain size. Now the more difficult answer. When churches stray from biblical doctrine, teach that God and the Bible are wrong, embrace sin and allow it to flourish, misuse scripture, teach false doctrines and more negatives than any church that does those things cannot be considered biblical.

You have to obey God and follow his instructions to be considered biblical. Culture does not dictate to God’s word and is not a light unto God’s word. Biblical churches do not have women pastors and so on.

#2. Sexual Abusehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/survivor-of-rape-incest-shares-how-church-can-come-alongside-those-sexually-abused-223200/

Survivor of Rape, Incest Shares How Church Can Come Alongside Those Sexually Abused

While certain information is important to minister to the needs of those who are sexually abused, the church must take its marching orders from God. The church cannot violate God’s definition of justice, ignore his instruction to use mercy, nor can they blindly take the word of the abused. The truth has to come out first without emotional influence.Forgiveness must be a part of the justice process.

This is what we have found to be lacking in the metoo movement. Not one of the women has stated that they have forgiven theirs supposed abuser. They are looking for revenge, have hatred in their hearts, tell lies and other sins. Justice cannot be done when sin is influencing the procedings. We have no evidence that any of the women are telling the whole story or even the truth. More than 1 or 10 witnesses does not mean the truth is being told.

To help the abused, the church cannot take anyone’s side except God’s. One of the forgotten people in this movement is the abuser. He or she needs God’s help not just punishment, scorn, etc. If you want to follow Jesus you need to see that he gave to those who sinned as much as he did to those who did not. e.g. Zachias, the thief on the cross, and others.

Everyone gets treated properly or there is no justice, just more people sinning against those who violated the law.

#3.Replacing Spiritual Giantshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/greg-laurie-talks-who-can-take-over-billy-grahams-mantle-ahead-harvest-america-2018-223138/

Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Irvine and Riverside, California, has said that no one can take over the mantle of the late evangelist Billy Graham

There was a Facebook post about the long chain in spiritual conversions of great evangelists. The post showed each link in the chain, and we do not have the right order here–Spurgeon, Moody, Sunday, Graham and others. The church did not pick the next spiritual giant or the next great evangelist. God did. God will raise up the next man in his time. We cannot force God’s hand in this matter.

Although we do see Laurie and his church using their own strength to achieve that objective. Churches should not worry or fret about this. They have too much to do right now and worrying about the next great spiritual leader tells us that churches are taking their eyes off God. The church just needs to be ready when that man is sent by God.

#4. It Is Not About Religion or Racehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/rohingya-crisis-babies-chopped-in-half-mothers-daughters-gang-raped-223214/

Rohingya Crisis: Babies Chopped in Half, Mothers and Daughters Gang Raped

The Bible tells us that there is only 1 race of humans. Evolutionists have gotten it wrong. Having a different religion is not the catalyst for conflict either. Religions have lived side by side for millennia without conflict. Religion is the excuse but not the cause.

Thus this conflict and so many others are not about race or religion. It is about hatred, lust, greed and other sins. That is what the Bible tells us. When sin controls the hearts of mankind then anything can and will take place. If the church wants to make an impact in these areas,  then they need to stop working on peripheral issues like race. They need to focus on what Jesus focused on– the sin in the hearts of people. It also needs to proclaim the truth.

When Jesus targeted the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Scribes, (possibly the Essenes), he talked about their sin. Not their religion. When he talked to Gentiles, he talked about faith and their sin, not their religion. Any false religion is sin. So target sin not the religion or race. The peripheral issue of race divides the church and tells everyone that the church is not listening to God about human existence. When that happens, the church loses credibility.

Do what Jesus did and focus on the sin and speak the truth. There is a hell and sinners, liars, homosexuals, murderers, etc. end up there.

#5. It Is About Sinhttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/will-california-go-from-banning-religious-books-to-burning-them.html

Will California Go from Banning Religious Books to Burning Them?

It is a very good article. If the link doesn’t work, try copying and pasting the whole thing. For some reason are link function did not work well on that article. But it is the sin in the hearts of the members of the California government that is causing this problem. They are being manipulated by evil and true Christians need to pray for those leaders.

Remember what God said– when my people humble themselves and pray… let’s combat sin God’s way.

 

Sexual Allegations 3

You may think we are spending too much time on this topic but there is just too much information to be covered in just 2 articles. Our source for this article will be the following link:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/former-willow-creek-pastor-releases-more-details-on-bill-hybels-misconduct-inquiry-222853/

Let’s just get right to it.

Providing more details on the sexual misconduct case against Willow Creek Community Church founder Bill Hybels, former staffer Nancy Ortberg claimed that the woman who alleged a prolonged sexual affair with Hybels was suicidal

We have read the article and these supposed new details do not shed any more light on the problem. It may shed some light on the woman’s mental state but it does not help find the truth in the sexual allegation accusations or the guilt or innocence of Mr. Hybel. There may be many reasons for her suicidal state of mind, including the fact that her state of mind may have fabricated the whole affair.

Remember there are famous people who have stalkers who claim that a look by the star through a television screen was a silent communication of affection and desire to them. It is highly possible that the woman misunderstood what was transpiring between the two.

that the founder was allowed to continue counseling the woman even after the allegation was made.

This was probably a bad decision and poor judgment given the woman’s state of mind and the allegations made. Just because a pastor has a spiritual calling does not mean they always know what is best. They may know the woman but it would be best to recuse oneself and let another counselor step in and take over. Letting go has to be done by the pastor.

Ortberg, who served on the Board of the Willow Creek Association and on staff as teaching pastor at Willow Creek Community Church for nine years, decided to release the details two days after Hybels announced that he would retire, because she remains “deeply concerned about the process and church governance that brought us all to this point

She may be a former staff member but in reality, her concern has no place in the issue. All she is doing is making things worse by not presenting any real evidence and relying on generalities and non-issues to enflame the situation. She is distracting those involved not helping them.

Ortberg said she first heard the “disturbing story” in 2014 from Leanne Mellado, a former Willow Creek staffer, who said a good friend of hers had confided in her.

So Mrs. Ortberg heard a 3rd hand story and assumed that it was true, unembellished and without error? She does not conduct her own investigation to find out the facts but simply assumed the story was true because her female friend heard it from another female. This may sound harsh to you but it isn’t. Where are the facts? Where is the honesty? Where is the examnation of the accuser to see if she is mentally clear and that the story actually happened?

What we see here is an assumption based on nothing but the word of a female friend.

This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. After carrying this story on her own for over six months, Leanne made the Elders aware of these allegations, and I was sure a thorough and independent investigation would be done to find out the truth on behalf of the woman, the church, the Willow Creek Association, and Bill,” Ortberg said.

Now again, neither Mrs. Ortberg or Ms. Mellado did not conduct any investigation into the story but assumed it to be true. What they brought to the Elders was more like gossip not an actual violation of scripture or the law. They then passed the buck to the Elders ASSUMING the Elders would do as they wanted and come to the conclusion the two women wanted.

Yet they present no facts or evidence to back up their or the woman’s story. Then the fact that Ms. Mellado held on to the story for 6 months is also disturbing. Given the fact that she had professional duties, how does anyone know she recalled the story correctly and did not change any of the details? Where is the corroboration?

She then detailed the investigative process conducted by the elders of Willow Creek which her husband John Ortberg, senior pastor of the nearly 4,000-member Menlo Church in Menlo Park, California, previously dismissed as “poorly designed” and dangerous for the women involved.

Forgive us for sounding sexist here but how is it dangerous to women only? What about the fact that the situation may be dangeorus for men if an innocent man is punished for things he did not do? Sorry women, but you are not the only part of the issue that matters here. Then, Mr. Ortberg’s assessment is purely subjective and not without some bias.

What we are seeing here in this account is the fact that Mrs. Ortberg wants the Elders and other staff members to come to her pre-determined conclusion about the issue and act the way she wants them to act. We do not see any attempt at honesty on either side of the issue though we will give the benefit of the doubt to the elders at this time because we have not heard their side of the matter.

What we are seeing here is that Mr. Hybel is determined to be guilty simply because a woman complained and made accusations. That is not right in any honest court of law and it is not biblical either. While men are to protect their wives, they are not to sin in doing so and hurt innocent people. Neither are staff members of a church. They cannot let their bias take them away from God’s directions on how to handle spiritual matters.

In addition to everything we were learning, I and others on the Board of the Willow Creek Association grew deeply alarmed at Bill being allowed to continue in a counseling relationship with this woman who was suicidal, as well as the slipshod nature of the investigation and the overall lack of accountability in the Willow Creek culture,” she wrote.

The bold word provides the support for the immediately above words and for the following It is her opinion that the investigation was slipshod.  When people do not get the results they expect, they often criticize thse who came to a different conclusion. Was it slipshod? We do not know but since the woman recanted and said she lied, that does tend to cut short any investgation. Of course, another investigation could be conducted to see if she was pressured to recant and on it goes.

One thing that you should have noticed by now is that Mrs. Ortberg did not even consider Mr. Hybels side of the issue at all? She did not take into account that he may have been telling the truth. In her mind he was guilty and that is not biblical either. This is one of the main problems in these sexual allegation issues. Only the woman seems to be seen as telling the truth and the man is automatically lying & guilty.

On Tuesday, Hybels resigned months earlier than planned, while staunchly maintaining his innocence, explaining that the controversy has become a “distraction” to ministry work. He called some of the allegations “misleading” and others “entirely false.

We do not think he should have resigned early. But that is how we feel about that action. We do not see this as a sign of guilt or innocence though some may.

According to Ortberg, when Hybels was asked at a 2014 meeting with elders and Willow Creek Association Board members about two women who made allegations against him, “Bill characterized both of them as ‘having drinking problems,’ being ‘unstable’ and ‘stalking his family.’ I was the only person on either Board who knew the identities of both women, and I knew they were smart, kind, and diligent leaders,” Ortberg wrote.

The bold words do not provide any proof that the women may not have misinterpreted the words and actions. It also does not mean that those women may not have lied. Mrs. Ortberg may be turning a blind eye to the truth here but we cannot be sure. We are sure that her support of the women is not evidence or an indication of the motivation behind the two women and their accuations. Smart kind, diligent leaders err and are not immune to lying.

Ortberg, who is currently a founding partner of TeamWorx2, a business and leadership consulting firm, also recalled how she felt inappropriately touched by Hybels after a meeting with others in his hotel room on a mission trip to Tasmania.

Since she shed no real light on the issue and presented no real evidence to convince anyone to join her side, she falls back on an unsupported, subjective and individual act to make her case. Where is the evidence this happened and where does it show Mr. Hybel’s sexual intent? It is merely her word against his and something said out of desperation.

This is the problem with these sexual allegation issues. We have said it previously and we will say it again, these women have not presented any legitimate evidence or proof that the allegations are true. They rely merely on their word and have nothing to support what they have said. They are unwitnessed individual accounts.

We are not trying to be hard on women as these words apply to both men and women. You need real evidence to make a real case. Anything short of that only makes you look hate-filled, revengeful, vindictive, dishonest and many more negative characteristics. It also demonstrates that these people will not follow God’s instructions when these cases do not go their way.

You will also notice that Mrs.Ortberg did not use one scripture to back her up, although, and she may not admit it, she ignored many scriptures to ‘reveal’ these new details. God’s word applies to both sides of the issue and to all parties on those two sides.

We wonder why Mrs. Ortberg is saying anything to the press since she had nothing to reveal that proved the innocence or guilt of Mr. Hybel and nothing to show that the original complainant was telling the truth. You may think you have details but the media is not the place to reveal that information. If the information was credible, real evidence and so on, it should have been sent to the church and possibly law enforcement privately.

Going to the media is not a way to build credibility or make a case. It is also not a biblical way to act.

 

Nahum’s Tomb

For those who may not know about this topic, we offer the following quoted information from a newsletter we receive regularly:

Not every old thing is buried deep in the dirt. The 2,700-year old tomb of the Hebrew prophet Nahum, many believe, is located in the northern Iraqi town of Al Qosh, in an abandoned synagogue which is about to collapse. A local Christian church and a restoration group based in the U.S. are trying to save and restore the synagogue.

Al-Monitor reports that the local Chaldean church put a roof over the crumbling structure a couple years ago to stop further deterioration by winter rains. This spring, a team of engineers with ARCH (Alliance for the Restoration of Cultural Heritage) traveled to Iraq to add scaffolding, ropes and support beans which should hold the structure together for at least three years while plans are made and money is raised for restoration.

The synagogue was deserted in the 1950’s when Jews left under Iraqi persecution–a response to the creation of the State of Israel, according to Al Monitor. A local Christian family was handed the keys to the synagogue and has opened it faithfully throughout three generations for visitors coming to pray at the tomb of the minor prophet Nahum, writer of the Bible’s Book of Nahum.

 

Sexual Allegations 2

The headline says it all

Former Willow Creek Leader Nancy Beach, Others Say Bill Hybels’ Resignation Is Not Enough

This is what undermines any credibility that the metoo movement and other sexual allegations accusers think they have. They are greedy and not content when they receive their desired result. They always want more. Here is what that former leader said:

Nancy Beach, Willow Creek Community Church’s first female teaching pastor said the resignation of the church’s founder, Bill Hybels, over multiple allegations of sexual misconduct is not enough to rectify the damage caused by his alleged actions as others in the church community called for more contrition and accountability.

How much is enough? Since the damage to the victim and the demand for contrition and accountability are all subjective where is the line drawn so these people will be satisfied with the action taken? The damage is subjective as it registers with different victims in different ways. Some know how to deal with the issue, others exaggerate it and still more apply drama to the problem.

Then the people like Ms. Beach thinks that justice is there to serve them and they get to dictate what is or isn’t just. They seem to think that they alone can determine when justice has been done. They seem to forget about God and that he is the one who created justice and it is his opinion only that matters when justice has been done. But these advocates tend to place themselves higher than God and demand more.

They are not for justice but their own idea of it which seems to include revenge, a lack of forgiveness and more punishment than is needed. These people use generic words like ‘damage’ to build the issue into more than it really is. Then since the word ‘alleged’ is used, they are demanding a penalty for crime that has not been committed. This is wrong. Until an actual crime has been committed and proven so through proper evidence and legal means, no punishment can be meted out.

This fact seems lost on those who want their pound of flesh

Hybels adamantly denied a number of the sexual misconduct allegations against him, which include a consensual affair with a married woman, who retracted her claims. The Tribune report also alleged a pattern of behavior against Hybels that includes suggestive comments, extended hugs, an unwanted kiss, and invitations to some of the women to hotel rooms. Investigations commissioned by the church, however, could not substantiate the allegations.

We understand the rejection of those unwanted touches. We do not like people touching us either, including church people. They weren’t invited to touch us and they have no right to do it. BUT that attitude does not give us the right to demand that the unwanted toucher lose their jobs, be made to pay penalties and so on. Because it happens to women does not alter that lack of right.

Part of the problem comes in when too many pastors and church leaders think that showing love to their congregation means touching them. This is not so. There is no call for men pastors to be hugging women who are not their wives or daughters. There are more constructive, more spiritual ways to show love. If you want to appeal to Jesus to defend those unwanted embraces, then please point to chapter and verse in the Bible showing everyone where Jesus actually did it or taught his disciples to do it.

The last we looked there are none.

There can be no healing until the truth is all brought into the light. I know you don’t want to hear this..

This is a loaded statement because the words are stating that healing depends on the okay of people not involved in the situation. It is also saying that the speaker will only accept a truth that they like. It is not that we do not want to hear it, it is the fact that those accusing Mr. Hybels are not willing to listen to the truth or accept the justice meted out. Whether either are wrong or not has not been established. It is merely Ms. Beach’s opinion that it hasn’t.

We do not like the idea that Ms. Beach thinks she is in charge of when healing takes place.

but there’s more to come. And we must not ignore the voices of these women or they will be abused all over again. Bill Hybels is not the victim here!” Beach declared.

Instead of making these types of statements, do an honest investigation and produce that real evidence. The opponents to Ms. Beach must be able to substantiate those pieces of evidence and make sure a crime was committed. They will not be abused all over again. That is part of the drama that comes when misguided people start distorting the issue to fit their ideas and ignore God’s.  They do not help the healing but keep the wounds open and festering.

Last night I heard no confession of deceit or admission of guilt for sexual misconduct. For the church and its leaders to move on there must be full ownership of what was sinful and flawed in the process

The last we looked, Mr. Hybels and the Willow Creek Church are not under the authority of Ms. Beach. She seems to place herself in a position she has no right to be. Whether she hears what she wants to hear or not does not matter.

The goal for me was never connected to Bill resigning. The goal is to usher in the truth, to reveal an abuse of power that spans over 30 years, with women who are scarred and in some cases, terrified to come forward,” she said

How does she know this? Where is her supporting documentation that this is taking place? Then why are not those women going to their husbands or fathers for help? Where is the evidence that this is taking place? It is not that women are not scared, just prove the accusation and statement with real evidence not innuendo.

He admitted to being sometimes naïve in his relations with others and noted some of his actions were misinterpreted.

This does happen. Pastors and church leaders can be very naive and do things they should not do. But the other side is also correct. Too many people misunderstand the action and apply their own ideas to what took place. Then they or others seek to penalize the supposed offender for something they have not done. They are being penalized for the mistaken thinking on the part of those who received the unwanted action.

In that brief analysis of Ms. Beach’s words, there is a common theme that resides throughout her statements. God and his ways are excluded. What matters to Ms. Beach is what Ms. Beach wants to see not what God wants to see. She does not address the issue with God’s help but does so on her own strength and ability. She is not applying any scripture to the issue to guide her words or demand for justice.

Christians cannot exclude God from any process for he alone knows the truth and he alone can reveal it, without the aid of a confession. He also knows what true justice is. What bothers people like Ms. Beach is that God’s justice may be different from their idea of it. Yes God has told us to be just but where do we learn what true justice is?

Certainly not from the secular world or other subjective human thought or theory. We learn what true justice is from God. When people like Ms. Beach do not include God in the process then do not expect true justice to take place. Men and women do not have separate forms of justice. There is not one rule or penalty for men and another for women.

As you read Rev. 20, you will see that all people, men, women and children, are judged the same. If we want to be a light unto a dark world, then we need to put down our own ideas of justice and learn from God what true justice is and how to practice it correctly. People like MS. Beach are not following God nor wanting true justice.

If you want to be heard and have credibility, then you cannot rely on personal subjective feelings or ideas. You need to use God’s objective standards under God’s guidance. One human’s idea of justice is not greater than another’s. They are all still subjective and human sourced.They do not have the support of the hly, incorruptible, honest God who created all things.

Source: https://www.christianpost.com/news/former-willow-creek-leader-nancy-beach-bill-hybels-resignation-not-enough-222837/

 
 
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