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Youth Ministry

We have indirectly talked about youth ministries in the past. But we doubt we have directly focused articles on that ministry. We are sure we were hard on youth pastors and we probably will be again. Why? Because most of  them are not properly trained nor have the correct attitude. These two issues are a topic for another day. We are not targeting those church members who volunteer to work with youth. Their efforts should be commended but unfortunately, they may not be up to the task.

Our purpose for writing is the following article

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/3-reasons-why-you-should-consider-serving-in-youth-ministry.html

We hope not to criticize or condemn but to merely add our comments to those given and then  address a few points raised by that article.

That one student you loved on that one Wednesday night….that same Wednesday night you had a horrible day at work, were tired, and didn’t feel like serving…that one student could be the next Billy Graham, the next President, a missionary who leads hundreds to Jesus, a pastor, a youth pastor, or just someone the Lord uses to reach a whole generation.

We are actually starting at the bottom of that article because it highlights a danger that comes with youth ministry. These are the WRONG reasons to enter the ministry with youth. We are not saying it can’t happen but these issues should not be part of any youth ministry. They are distractions and can lead to confusion, disappointment and disillusionment in the youth leader.

The youth leader should be getting involved with young people because there is a need to develop the young minds spiritually. The burden of the youth leader should be to get the young people the truth, the correct answers to their questions, and to help them mature and grow up. Life is not easy and the parents may appreciate the extra help preparing their children.

This brings us to another issue which needs another article to deal with it properly. I believe it was Ken Ham who has written on the loss of young people once they have entered college. Many, many young people toss away their faith because they were not properly trained to face the skepticism, the unbelief, the hate-filled attitudes of their professors. This is a growing concern.

REASON #1: THERE’S A NEED

Yes there is a need. Sadly, parents are not always equipped to hamdle the spiritual needs of their children and that is the fault of Senior pastors, church leaders and so on. As well as the parents themselves. The parents were given the charge to teach their children but that does not stop the whole community from teaching young people the ways of God, his commandments and his instructions. If you read Deut. 4 you will see God’s teaching instructions to his people.

God also provides the reasons for his instructions. If you do not want to stop at Deut. you can do a word study on education, learning, teaching and similar words and see what God wants parents, youth ministers and pastors to do.

And, if I may speak openly, our children are our biggest commodity. Why wouldn’t we want to invest as much as we can into them? They literally are the future!

This we disagree with. Young people are not a commodity and should not be thought of in such terms. They should be thought of as sinful people who need Jesus as their savior. Then after conversion, they need to be taught correctly so that they fear God and obey his instructions correctly. Adults are the children’s future. How adults teach their chilren will be how they act when  the yong person grows up. The Bible tells us this- raise up the child in the path that he shall go and he will not depart from it (we paraphrased a bit).

Parents are to train their children correctly if the child is going to have a good future. The responsibility to train young people falls to the parents first.

REASON #2: BY SERVING YOU SERVE GOD

This is also true. You do serve God by working with youth correctly. We need to add the word correctly because if what you do is not of God or you teach that God is wrong, then you are not servig God but serving someone else. The Bible speaks of false teachers and these people teach youth today. False teachers claim to be Christian, yet willfully teach things God, Jesus and the Bible did not teach. The word willfully has to be added because some people do make mistakes or do not understand scripture fully but they are not false teachers, they are merely mistaken, misguided or do not know enough to teach others.

I dare say, would we be hindering students coming to Jesus by choosing not to invest in them if God has clearly told us He wants us to serve in student ministry?

This we do not totally agree with because of the wording. The writer may not understand the passage he is alluding to and quoted earlier in the paragraph. it is doubtful if you say no to the call to serve God in youth ministry that you are hindering anyone from knowing Jesus. You are just being disobedient. God can and will raise someone else up to do the ministry.

The heavy-handed phrasing in that quote is not right and it is laying guilt on those who may not feel that call nor have the desire to work with youth. Pastors tend to go a little overboard in their application of the Bible when they see a need they want filled.

REASON #3: IT PAYS DIVIDENDS

While this does take place, it is the wrong reason to get involved with youth. We do not go into youth minstry to get rewards, etc. We go in because we love God and we want to bring the truth to the lives of the young. We want to teach them correctly, answer thier questions with the truth, and guide them through life until they know how to do it themselves.

We do not go into ministry for our own selfish ideas.

Are you the type of person who likes to make investments and make a profit on such investments? Investing in the lives of students pays dividends. Student ministry is considered both the hardest ministry in the church, the most often overlooked and under appreciated ministry, and yet, at the same time, one of the most rewarding ministries in the church

We will disagree with all of this and a lot more that is not quoted but found in that paragraph. These are the wrong reasons to go into any ministry. Plus, every ministry is difficult, under-appreciated but still rewarding. These words are mere manipulation not God-given reasons to enter youth ministry. One main thing we do not like about this article is that God’s word seems to be absent and not supporting their plea.

I’m not writing this to make you feel guilty, to sway you, or make you feel like you have to serve in youth ministry. I just wanted to share three reasons why you should consider serving. The first step is to seek the Lord. Ask God if He wants you to serve in youth ministry. If He does, don’t hesitate. Jump in as soon a possible.

Too late.  He should have started the article and his 3 reasons with the rest of that quote. But as we heard in a lecture from Dr.Jimmy Dirrado in our undergrad days, sometimes you can volunteer and say to God, I want to serve you. The Bible backs that up when Paul wrote the words “if any man desires the office…” Serving in the ministry does not depend on a call. You can have a simple desire to do that work. BUT you need to meet the requirements first.

Teaching the truth is not easy and James warns us about becoming a teacher. You need to make sure you understand what you are getting yourself into. Youth or any ministry is not just any other type of job. It is important, you are representing God and his words and need to lead the people to God correctly.

Besides, as a youth pastor, we will never turn down someone who genuinely wants to serve and is able. Of course, there are background checks, screenings, and such before we let someone serve in our student ministry. We don’t just let anyone just show up and serve at M2L Students without first talking with us

The problem with this process is that it leaves God out of the mix. It also stops people who have had their lives changed by Jesus from entering the ministry and serving God. The secular world does not place the requirements on God’s work. God does and we need to look to him for confirmation and direction. The disciples did not look to secular government when they sought to replace Judas or other disciples.

Jesus did not follow secular government when he changed the life of Paul and then sent him into ministry. We are not to look at the surface and disqualify someone God has cleansed and appointed to be a minister. We follow God and his requirements.

But anyone that show interests we inquire about and we allow the Lord to direct us from there. Wherever you…whatever church you call home….will you allow the Lord to direct your next steps if you feel the Holy Spirit nudging you to serve in your church’s youth minsitry?

No one can change their past. It should not be held over their heads. The past is often used to ignore the truth, the work of evil and the redemptive nature of Christ. But this does not mean we blindly accept people either. We need discretion, discernment, and look to God for help when appointing someone to ministry. The disciples did,so should we. We need to recognize our limitations when it comes to the hearts of men.

Also, do a word study on  the term ‘truth’ and see who God is and what he wants taught to his creation.

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In The News 27

Time for that broad look at certain events that have taken place recently. Let’s get right to it.

#1. Megachurcheshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/are-megachurches-biblical-evangelical-professor-explains-what-is-non-negotiable-223190/

Are Megachurches Biblical?

It is a good question and the simple answer is the size of the church does not matter. You can have biblical megachurches or you can have biblical smaller ones. God does not limit biblically qualified churches to a certain size. Now the more difficult answer. When churches stray from biblical doctrine, teach that God and the Bible are wrong, embrace sin and allow it to flourish, misuse scripture, teach false doctrines and more negatives than any church that does those things cannot be considered biblical.

You have to obey God and follow his instructions to be considered biblical. Culture does not dictate to God’s word and is not a light unto God’s word. Biblical churches do not have women pastors and so on.

#2. Sexual Abusehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/survivor-of-rape-incest-shares-how-church-can-come-alongside-those-sexually-abused-223200/

Survivor of Rape, Incest Shares How Church Can Come Alongside Those Sexually Abused

While certain information is important to minister to the needs of those who are sexually abused, the church must take its marching orders from God. The church cannot violate God’s definition of justice, ignore his instruction to use mercy, nor can they blindly take the word of the abused. The truth has to come out first without emotional influence.Forgiveness must be a part of the justice process.

This is what we have found to be lacking in the metoo movement. Not one of the women has stated that they have forgiven theirs supposed abuser. They are looking for revenge, have hatred in their hearts, tell lies and other sins. Justice cannot be done when sin is influencing the procedings. We have no evidence that any of the women are telling the whole story or even the truth. More than 1 or 10 witnesses does not mean the truth is being told.

To help the abused, the church cannot take anyone’s side except God’s. One of the forgotten people in this movement is the abuser. He or she needs God’s help not just punishment, scorn, etc. If you want to follow Jesus you need to see that he gave to those who sinned as much as he did to those who did not. e.g. Zachias, the thief on the cross, and others.

Everyone gets treated properly or there is no justice, just more people sinning against those who violated the law.

#3.Replacing Spiritual Giantshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/greg-laurie-talks-who-can-take-over-billy-grahams-mantle-ahead-harvest-america-2018-223138/

Pastor Greg Laurie of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Irvine and Riverside, California, has said that no one can take over the mantle of the late evangelist Billy Graham

There was a Facebook post about the long chain in spiritual conversions of great evangelists. The post showed each link in the chain, and we do not have the right order here–Spurgeon, Moody, Sunday, Graham and others. The church did not pick the next spiritual giant or the next great evangelist. God did. God will raise up the next man in his time. We cannot force God’s hand in this matter.

Although we do see Laurie and his church using their own strength to achieve that objective. Churches should not worry or fret about this. They have too much to do right now and worrying about the next great spiritual leader tells us that churches are taking their eyes off God. The church just needs to be ready when that man is sent by God.

#4. It Is Not About Religion or Racehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/rohingya-crisis-babies-chopped-in-half-mothers-daughters-gang-raped-223214/

Rohingya Crisis: Babies Chopped in Half, Mothers and Daughters Gang Raped

The Bible tells us that there is only 1 race of humans. Evolutionists have gotten it wrong. Having a different religion is not the catalyst for conflict either. Religions have lived side by side for millennia without conflict. Religion is the excuse but not the cause.

Thus this conflict and so many others are not about race or religion. It is about hatred, lust, greed and other sins. That is what the Bible tells us. When sin controls the hearts of mankind then anything can and will take place. If the church wants to make an impact in these areas,  then they need to stop working on peripheral issues like race. They need to focus on what Jesus focused on– the sin in the hearts of people. It also needs to proclaim the truth.

When Jesus targeted the Pharisees, the Sadducees and the Scribes, (possibly the Essenes), he talked about their sin. Not their religion. When he talked to Gentiles, he talked about faith and their sin, not their religion. Any false religion is sin. So target sin not the religion or race. The peripheral issue of race divides the church and tells everyone that the church is not listening to God about human existence. When that happens, the church loses credibility.

Do what Jesus did and focus on the sin and speak the truth. There is a hell and sinners, liars, homosexuals, murderers, etc. end up there.

#5. It Is About Sinhttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/will-california-go-from-banning-religious-books-to-burning-them.html

Will California Go from Banning Religious Books to Burning Them?

It is a very good article. If the link doesn’t work, try copying and pasting the whole thing. For some reason are link function did not work well on that article. But it is the sin in the hearts of the members of the California government that is causing this problem. They are being manipulated by evil and true Christians need to pray for those leaders.

Remember what God said– when my people humble themselves and pray… let’s combat sin God’s way.

 

Sexual Allegations 3

You may think we are spending too much time on this topic but there is just too much information to be covered in just 2 articles. Our source for this article will be the following link:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/former-willow-creek-pastor-releases-more-details-on-bill-hybels-misconduct-inquiry-222853/

Let’s just get right to it.

Providing more details on the sexual misconduct case against Willow Creek Community Church founder Bill Hybels, former staffer Nancy Ortberg claimed that the woman who alleged a prolonged sexual affair with Hybels was suicidal

We have read the article and these supposed new details do not shed any more light on the problem. It may shed some light on the woman’s mental state but it does not help find the truth in the sexual allegation accusations or the guilt or innocence of Mr. Hybel. There may be many reasons for her suicidal state of mind, including the fact that her state of mind may have fabricated the whole affair.

Remember there are famous people who have stalkers who claim that a look by the star through a television screen was a silent communication of affection and desire to them. It is highly possible that the woman misunderstood what was transpiring between the two.

that the founder was allowed to continue counseling the woman even after the allegation was made.

This was probably a bad decision and poor judgment given the woman’s state of mind and the allegations made. Just because a pastor has a spiritual calling does not mean they always know what is best. They may know the woman but it would be best to recuse oneself and let another counselor step in and take over. Letting go has to be done by the pastor.

Ortberg, who served on the Board of the Willow Creek Association and on staff as teaching pastor at Willow Creek Community Church for nine years, decided to release the details two days after Hybels announced that he would retire, because she remains “deeply concerned about the process and church governance that brought us all to this point

She may be a former staff member but in reality, her concern has no place in the issue. All she is doing is making things worse by not presenting any real evidence and relying on generalities and non-issues to enflame the situation. She is distracting those involved not helping them.

Ortberg said she first heard the “disturbing story” in 2014 from Leanne Mellado, a former Willow Creek staffer, who said a good friend of hers had confided in her.

So Mrs. Ortberg heard a 3rd hand story and assumed that it was true, unembellished and without error? She does not conduct her own investigation to find out the facts but simply assumed the story was true because her female friend heard it from another female. This may sound harsh to you but it isn’t. Where are the facts? Where is the honesty? Where is the examnation of the accuser to see if she is mentally clear and that the story actually happened?

What we see here is an assumption based on nothing but the word of a female friend.

This story involved a fourteen-year sexual affair. After carrying this story on her own for over six months, Leanne made the Elders aware of these allegations, and I was sure a thorough and independent investigation would be done to find out the truth on behalf of the woman, the church, the Willow Creek Association, and Bill,” Ortberg said.

Now again, neither Mrs. Ortberg or Ms. Mellado did not conduct any investigation into the story but assumed it to be true. What they brought to the Elders was more like gossip not an actual violation of scripture or the law. They then passed the buck to the Elders ASSUMING the Elders would do as they wanted and come to the conclusion the two women wanted.

Yet they present no facts or evidence to back up their or the woman’s story. Then the fact that Ms. Mellado held on to the story for 6 months is also disturbing. Given the fact that she had professional duties, how does anyone know she recalled the story correctly and did not change any of the details? Where is the corroboration?

She then detailed the investigative process conducted by the elders of Willow Creek which her husband John Ortberg, senior pastor of the nearly 4,000-member Menlo Church in Menlo Park, California, previously dismissed as “poorly designed” and dangerous for the women involved.

Forgive us for sounding sexist here but how is it dangerous to women only? What about the fact that the situation may be dangeorus for men if an innocent man is punished for things he did not do? Sorry women, but you are not the only part of the issue that matters here. Then, Mr. Ortberg’s assessment is purely subjective and not without some bias.

What we are seeing here in this account is the fact that Mrs. Ortberg wants the Elders and other staff members to come to her pre-determined conclusion about the issue and act the way she wants them to act. We do not see any attempt at honesty on either side of the issue though we will give the benefit of the doubt to the elders at this time because we have not heard their side of the matter.

What we are seeing here is that Mr. Hybel is determined to be guilty simply because a woman complained and made accusations. That is not right in any honest court of law and it is not biblical either. While men are to protect their wives, they are not to sin in doing so and hurt innocent people. Neither are staff members of a church. They cannot let their bias take them away from God’s directions on how to handle spiritual matters.

In addition to everything we were learning, I and others on the Board of the Willow Creek Association grew deeply alarmed at Bill being allowed to continue in a counseling relationship with this woman who was suicidal, as well as the slipshod nature of the investigation and the overall lack of accountability in the Willow Creek culture,” she wrote.

The bold word provides the support for the immediately above words and for the following It is her opinion that the investigation was slipshod.  When people do not get the results they expect, they often criticize thse who came to a different conclusion. Was it slipshod? We do not know but since the woman recanted and said she lied, that does tend to cut short any investgation. Of course, another investigation could be conducted to see if she was pressured to recant and on it goes.

One thing that you should have noticed by now is that Mrs. Ortberg did not even consider Mr. Hybels side of the issue at all? She did not take into account that he may have been telling the truth. In her mind he was guilty and that is not biblical either. This is one of the main problems in these sexual allegation issues. Only the woman seems to be seen as telling the truth and the man is automatically lying & guilty.

On Tuesday, Hybels resigned months earlier than planned, while staunchly maintaining his innocence, explaining that the controversy has become a “distraction” to ministry work. He called some of the allegations “misleading” and others “entirely false.

We do not think he should have resigned early. But that is how we feel about that action. We do not see this as a sign of guilt or innocence though some may.

According to Ortberg, when Hybels was asked at a 2014 meeting with elders and Willow Creek Association Board members about two women who made allegations against him, “Bill characterized both of them as ‘having drinking problems,’ being ‘unstable’ and ‘stalking his family.’ I was the only person on either Board who knew the identities of both women, and I knew they were smart, kind, and diligent leaders,” Ortberg wrote.

The bold words do not provide any proof that the women may not have misinterpreted the words and actions. It also does not mean that those women may not have lied. Mrs. Ortberg may be turning a blind eye to the truth here but we cannot be sure. We are sure that her support of the women is not evidence or an indication of the motivation behind the two women and their accuations. Smart kind, diligent leaders err and are not immune to lying.

Ortberg, who is currently a founding partner of TeamWorx2, a business and leadership consulting firm, also recalled how she felt inappropriately touched by Hybels after a meeting with others in his hotel room on a mission trip to Tasmania.

Since she shed no real light on the issue and presented no real evidence to convince anyone to join her side, she falls back on an unsupported, subjective and individual act to make her case. Where is the evidence this happened and where does it show Mr. Hybel’s sexual intent? It is merely her word against his and something said out of desperation.

This is the problem with these sexual allegation issues. We have said it previously and we will say it again, these women have not presented any legitimate evidence or proof that the allegations are true. They rely merely on their word and have nothing to support what they have said. They are unwitnessed individual accounts.

We are not trying to be hard on women as these words apply to both men and women. You need real evidence to make a real case. Anything short of that only makes you look hate-filled, revengeful, vindictive, dishonest and many more negative characteristics. It also demonstrates that these people will not follow God’s instructions when these cases do not go their way.

You will also notice that Mrs.Ortberg did not use one scripture to back her up, although, and she may not admit it, she ignored many scriptures to ‘reveal’ these new details. God’s word applies to both sides of the issue and to all parties on those two sides.

We wonder why Mrs. Ortberg is saying anything to the press since she had nothing to reveal that proved the innocence or guilt of Mr. Hybel and nothing to show that the original complainant was telling the truth. You may think you have details but the media is not the place to reveal that information. If the information was credible, real evidence and so on, it should have been sent to the church and possibly law enforcement privately.

Going to the media is not a way to build credibility or make a case. It is also not a biblical way to act.

 

Nahum’s Tomb

For those who may not know about this topic, we offer the following quoted information from a newsletter we receive regularly:

Not every old thing is buried deep in the dirt. The 2,700-year old tomb of the Hebrew prophet Nahum, many believe, is located in the northern Iraqi town of Al Qosh, in an abandoned synagogue which is about to collapse. A local Christian church and a restoration group based in the U.S. are trying to save and restore the synagogue.

Al-Monitor reports that the local Chaldean church put a roof over the crumbling structure a couple years ago to stop further deterioration by winter rains. This spring, a team of engineers with ARCH (Alliance for the Restoration of Cultural Heritage) traveled to Iraq to add scaffolding, ropes and support beans which should hold the structure together for at least three years while plans are made and money is raised for restoration.

The synagogue was deserted in the 1950’s when Jews left under Iraqi persecution–a response to the creation of the State of Israel, according to Al Monitor. A local Christian family was handed the keys to the synagogue and has opened it faithfully throughout three generations for visitors coming to pray at the tomb of the minor prophet Nahum, writer of the Bible’s Book of Nahum.

 

Sexual Allegations 2

The headline says it all

Former Willow Creek Leader Nancy Beach, Others Say Bill Hybels’ Resignation Is Not Enough

This is what undermines any credibility that the metoo movement and other sexual allegations accusers think they have. They are greedy and not content when they receive their desired result. They always want more. Here is what that former leader said:

Nancy Beach, Willow Creek Community Church’s first female teaching pastor said the resignation of the church’s founder, Bill Hybels, over multiple allegations of sexual misconduct is not enough to rectify the damage caused by his alleged actions as others in the church community called for more contrition and accountability.

How much is enough? Since the damage to the victim and the demand for contrition and accountability are all subjective where is the line drawn so these people will be satisfied with the action taken? The damage is subjective as it registers with different victims in different ways. Some know how to deal with the issue, others exaggerate it and still more apply drama to the problem.

Then the people like Ms. Beach thinks that justice is there to serve them and they get to dictate what is or isn’t just. They seem to think that they alone can determine when justice has been done. They seem to forget about God and that he is the one who created justice and it is his opinion only that matters when justice has been done. But these advocates tend to place themselves higher than God and demand more.

They are not for justice but their own idea of it which seems to include revenge, a lack of forgiveness and more punishment than is needed. These people use generic words like ‘damage’ to build the issue into more than it really is. Then since the word ‘alleged’ is used, they are demanding a penalty for crime that has not been committed. This is wrong. Until an actual crime has been committed and proven so through proper evidence and legal means, no punishment can be meted out.

This fact seems lost on those who want their pound of flesh

Hybels adamantly denied a number of the sexual misconduct allegations against him, which include a consensual affair with a married woman, who retracted her claims. The Tribune report also alleged a pattern of behavior against Hybels that includes suggestive comments, extended hugs, an unwanted kiss, and invitations to some of the women to hotel rooms. Investigations commissioned by the church, however, could not substantiate the allegations.

We understand the rejection of those unwanted touches. We do not like people touching us either, including church people. They weren’t invited to touch us and they have no right to do it. BUT that attitude does not give us the right to demand that the unwanted toucher lose their jobs, be made to pay penalties and so on. Because it happens to women does not alter that lack of right.

Part of the problem comes in when too many pastors and church leaders think that showing love to their congregation means touching them. This is not so. There is no call for men pastors to be hugging women who are not their wives or daughters. There are more constructive, more spiritual ways to show love. If you want to appeal to Jesus to defend those unwanted embraces, then please point to chapter and verse in the Bible showing everyone where Jesus actually did it or taught his disciples to do it.

The last we looked there are none.

There can be no healing until the truth is all brought into the light. I know you don’t want to hear this..

This is a loaded statement because the words are stating that healing depends on the okay of people not involved in the situation. It is also saying that the speaker will only accept a truth that they like. It is not that we do not want to hear it, it is the fact that those accusing Mr. Hybels are not willing to listen to the truth or accept the justice meted out. Whether either are wrong or not has not been established. It is merely Ms. Beach’s opinion that it hasn’t.

We do not like the idea that Ms. Beach thinks she is in charge of when healing takes place.

but there’s more to come. And we must not ignore the voices of these women or they will be abused all over again. Bill Hybels is not the victim here!” Beach declared.

Instead of making these types of statements, do an honest investigation and produce that real evidence. The opponents to Ms. Beach must be able to substantiate those pieces of evidence and make sure a crime was committed. They will not be abused all over again. That is part of the drama that comes when misguided people start distorting the issue to fit their ideas and ignore God’s.  They do not help the healing but keep the wounds open and festering.

Last night I heard no confession of deceit or admission of guilt for sexual misconduct. For the church and its leaders to move on there must be full ownership of what was sinful and flawed in the process

The last we looked, Mr. Hybels and the Willow Creek Church are not under the authority of Ms. Beach. She seems to place herself in a position she has no right to be. Whether she hears what she wants to hear or not does not matter.

The goal for me was never connected to Bill resigning. The goal is to usher in the truth, to reveal an abuse of power that spans over 30 years, with women who are scarred and in some cases, terrified to come forward,” she said

How does she know this? Where is her supporting documentation that this is taking place? Then why are not those women going to their husbands or fathers for help? Where is the evidence that this is taking place? It is not that women are not scared, just prove the accusation and statement with real evidence not innuendo.

He admitted to being sometimes naïve in his relations with others and noted some of his actions were misinterpreted.

This does happen. Pastors and church leaders can be very naive and do things they should not do. But the other side is also correct. Too many people misunderstand the action and apply their own ideas to what took place. Then they or others seek to penalize the supposed offender for something they have not done. They are being penalized for the mistaken thinking on the part of those who received the unwanted action.

In that brief analysis of Ms. Beach’s words, there is a common theme that resides throughout her statements. God and his ways are excluded. What matters to Ms. Beach is what Ms. Beach wants to see not what God wants to see. She does not address the issue with God’s help but does so on her own strength and ability. She is not applying any scripture to the issue to guide her words or demand for justice.

Christians cannot exclude God from any process for he alone knows the truth and he alone can reveal it, without the aid of a confession. He also knows what true justice is. What bothers people like Ms. Beach is that God’s justice may be different from their idea of it. Yes God has told us to be just but where do we learn what true justice is?

Certainly not from the secular world or other subjective human thought or theory. We learn what true justice is from God. When people like Ms. Beach do not include God in the process then do not expect true justice to take place. Men and women do not have separate forms of justice. There is not one rule or penalty for men and another for women.

As you read Rev. 20, you will see that all people, men, women and children, are judged the same. If we want to be a light unto a dark world, then we need to put down our own ideas of justice and learn from God what true justice is and how to practice it correctly. People like MS. Beach are not following God nor wanting true justice.

If you want to be heard and have credibility, then you cannot rely on personal subjective feelings or ideas. You need to use God’s objective standards under God’s guidance. One human’s idea of justice is not greater than another’s. They are all still subjective and human sourced.They do not have the support of the hly, incorruptible, honest God who created all things.

Source: https://www.christianpost.com/news/former-willow-creek-leader-nancy-beach-bill-hybels-resignation-not-enough-222837/

 

The Saddest Person

at the final judgment is probably not who you think it will be. God is often described by atheists and other non-believers as a sadistic, ego-maniac who lives to commit mass murder. But as believers already know, God does not fit that description. God does judge people for their sins, something that escapes the unbeliever when they view God. But that judgment is not done out of bloodlust or evil desires. It is done through holy righteous and loving thinking that is pure and not influenced by anything evil.

Here is what the Bible says about the last judgement:

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose [g]presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and [h]books were opened; and another [i]book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the [j]books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if [k]anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.  (Revelation 20 NASB)

When people read this they think that God has a hard look on the people and beings he is judging. They may be thinking that God thinks like they do and is glad that the sinner is being sent to hell.Those same people may be extrapolating their human ideas to God. We would like to propose a different view here based on scripture and what we know of God.

The Bible tells us in 2 Peter 3:9 that God wants all men to be saved and this verse may help us to see that God may be the saddest person at the final judgment. Why would God be the saddest person? Because he is forced to send his creation to hell and destroy the earth and universe he created in the beginning. How do we come to this conclusion?

We just looked at people and life from God’s perspective. When we view God’s creation through his eyes we get a different picture of who God is and how he views sending humans to hell. Why would God be happy to send his created beings to a place of eternal torment? He took the time to make them like himself, he made them, gave them their knowledge, talents, abilities, desires and even  freedom to choose.

They are his beings and his alone. Why would he be happy to see them punished for eternity? To help you see this picture more clearly just think of being a parent. In the old days, when parents used to deliver their child’s punishment, they would say ‘this hurts me more than it hurts you’.  Of course, the child does not agree with that assessment. But the child does not understand that a parent is hurt by the mere fact they have to inflict pain on the child they created.

Human parents only have to do it to 1-20 children. Now magnify that human feeling 20 billion times and more. We are not sure how many humans God will judge that day but his pain and sorrow will be greater than a human parent’s sadness and hurt. He has to send those who have rejected his son and his plan of salvation to eternal damnation. Then he has to send those who claimed to be Christian but were not truly believers to the same place.

It is hard to imagine that God will be happy when this judgment takes place. How can he be happy? He is sending his creation off to suffer forever.

Maybe this perspective of God will help change many Christians attitude about leaving earth. Too many believers want Jesus to come quickly because they cannot stand evil, they do not like crime and they want to be in paradise. They want to get on that first bus and get out of here.

It is a very selfish attitude

Those believers who think like that are not thinking about God feelings or desires. They are only thinking of their own. The believer needs to see the world from God’s perspective in order to change that selfish attitude. Right now there is just too much work to be done, too many souls to save and too many people to teach and make them strong disciples for Christ.

There are also too many hurting Christians who need help and healing.

This work cannot get done if God’s people are sitting in the pew wishing for the rapture to come and take them away from evil. They forget that they were once lost in sin, bound by evil and did much of the same things as those they wish to get away from. It is not God’s attitude or perspective they have. They also forget that those evil people are human and part of God’s creative work. They are people in need of a savior, in need of physical help, in need of spiritual freedom.

This applies to all from top government officials on down to the lowly garbage collector. God’s people needs to stop being selfish and start seeing the world from God’s perspective. Maybe then they will make the impact they need for God.

As it stands God will be the saddest person at the last judgment because he is sentencing too many people to eternal damnation

 

 

 

God’s Stewards Should Be Treated Better

We title this way not because we experienced much if not more of what these men experience but because pastors have been selected by God to watch over his people. This act alone should produce a better attitude towards those who give up pursuing other employment to serve as God’s steward.

So we post the following story and link to also honor those men who struggle with meeting their daily responsibilities. It should not happen. Church people tend to ignore the fact that the verse íf you do it unto the least of these, you have done it unto me’ does not exclude pastors or their wives. How you treat pastors shows how you treat Christ.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/honoring-small-church-pastors-who-cant-always-pay-their-bills-on-time-222198/

Honoring Small Church Pastors, Who Can’t Always Pay Their Bills on Time

It is a shame on the church, the denomination, the congegration to have their pastors suffer like this. God’s stewards should not have to hang their heads in shame when their reputations are marred by the lack of funds. The church should do everything they can to make sure that their pastor can hold his head up high and meet his financial responsibilities. He should be able to take care of his family properly, without worry.

How the church treats its pastor sends a very bad message to the unchurched world. Who would want to be part of an organization that sings that God has money yet turns around and withholds some of that money from God’s servant. If you are wondering why churches are not making an impact for Christ, one place to look is how the church is treating its pastor.

Now, this does not mean that the pastor is given a luxurious lifestyle. Nor does it mean the pastor is given whatever he wants. Biblical instruction apply to the salary and perks of the pastoral office. BUT those biblical instructions do not teach that the pastor is made to work under starvation wages or gven so little that they can’t take care of their families like God would want.

If you look at the Bible you see that God set the example and his priests did not suffer in his service. A glimpse at the family life of John the Baptist’s parents tells us that they did not suffer financially. But we are not going to read into any passages here. In the OT God gave instructions on the care of his priests and we do not see underpaying as part of those instructions.

Just because God is to be the inheritance of the priest does not mean the congregation has an excuse to underpay pastors. The Bible is not to be used to sin against God’s stewards. Pastors and their families have physical needs that need to be met. They would also like to save a little money in case of any problems or emergencies arise. And on it goes. Pastors and their wives are not slaves, they are not free worker to be abused by their congregations.

They are God’s steward and they deserve the respect that goes with that calling.

Obviously there are biblical exceptions here but that is a topic for another day. Suffice it to say that even when pastors act badly, they should not be deprived of a living salary till they are discharged from employment.

One thought that has come to mind as we write this.  It would be wonderful if the mega churches stopped spending a lot of their millions on frivolous things and put together a fund to help those pastors who do not receive enough of an income. The church in general should be setting the example of how to take care of one another instead of being an example of how to kill their wounded.

Pastors are God’s chosen people, and this is a men’s position only, they need to be treated like the Bible describes for they are not excluded from any verse found in the Bible. Loving your neighbor includes loving your pastor enough to financially support them correctly.

 
 
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