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5 Reasons to Overturn Abortion

We like the article

It is well written and we do not disagree with the points. We just want to add our point of view to some of the words contained in that work.

Abortion is the Holy Grail to the American left. It dominates all over considerations

Yes it is and does. Why we are not exactly certain. Maybe it is the idea that men and women can have power over life and death. Maybe it is seen as a solution to a problem that does not have in some people’s eyes any acceptable alternative. Or some people see it as a way out of a sticky situation.  Or it is a modern example of men loving darkness rather than light. There are a number of reasons why people place abortion as a high priority to end a life.

One thing that continues to be ignored in this issue as it has been blinded by the mantra- a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body. This mantra flies in the face of biblical teaching, that once a woman and a man have sex together, their bodies are no longer their own.  It also ignores the fact that the harm being done is not directed at the woman’s body. It is fully directed at the unborn child’s body. A body neither the mother and father own.

Another lie was the number of women who supposedly died in America because of illegal abortions. Abortionist Bernard Nathanson told the media that each year about 10,000 women died from illegal abortions.

We have written on abortion off and on for a couple of decades now. We have never come across any statistic, real or otherwise, that records the actual number of women’s deaths at the hands of an illegal abortionists. That is because such records are rarely kept and many women travel outside of the country to have their abortions.

Christians have to be wary as the unbeliever does not subscribe to any real moral code and will lie to get their way. Believers need to be discerning and know when a lie is a lie and not be blindly believing when told facts without any supportive evidence. Doctors lie, politicians lie, respected leaders lie so be careful.

The main lie was that an abortion was needed for Roe (whom we later learned was Norma McCorvey) because she was supposedly gang-raped

It is a misconception that the baby produced at the hands of nefarious acts are going to be evil in some way. That is a lie. What we do not like in some pro-life arguments is the idea that abortion is okay when they are created through incest, rape or some other illegal or highly unlikable act. The baby, as God said and we paraphrase, is not guilty and should not be punished for the sins of their parents.

Abortion in these cases needs to be ablished and the baby treated better.

Many women who have had abortions have been shocked to find that they feel guilty about them, despite the culture’s overall approval

This is the one reason we have a little trouble with. Abortion should not be made illegal just because a women feels guilty. It should be made illegal as it protects the unborn from malicious acts for doing nothing wrong. It should be made illegal because it is wrong to kill and violates God’s commandments. Sorry women but your guilt is not enough here. Plus, the author of that article omits any guilt some men may feel at the loss of their unborn child, whether they were willing participants or unwilling victims.

Abortion is not a women’s only issue. Men force women to have abortions, men see their child destroyed by angry women and on it goes. Abortion does not affect just one gender.

Abortion kills millions of unborn babies.

So do criminal acts, wars, invasions, and even accidents. Lets not get over dramatic when calling for the overturning of a nasty law. Killing is wrong no matter when it is done.

God opposes abortion

This should have been the first reason. Not the last. But what that author ignores or forgets is that God did not restrict the term innocent to just unborn babies. Any innocent blood that is shed  God hates. Doesn’t matter if it belongs to an old white male, a young lady, a teenager or whomever. Innocent blood is innocent blood. Each innocent life should be protected not just the politically expedient.

All of us reading these words should be grateful that we escaped the abortionist’s knife.

This is where he ruins his article.



It May Not Be Failure

We were reminded that we had one more article to work on and post before we left. It is found at the following link:

We are not going to go in-depth and talk about every point in the article as it is well written. We only want to address some of the main points. The first is the title

Revoice Conference Reveals Church’s Failure to Address LGBT Issues

First off, we think it is a little unfair to say that the church has failed to address LGBTQ issues.  In the past we have been hard on churches but we also think that it is difficult for every local church to focus on every issue. That is a bit unrealistic and an expectation that cannot be met. Some churches focus on feeding the poor, others meeting personal needs and so on. There are not enough members to go around to every issue and there are not enough resources to cover them all.

Second, the Bible is very clear about how to handle unrepentant sin and a lot of the time it is the LGBTQ community that has rejected those teachings and demand that the church accept them as equals in God’s kingdom. The church cannot disobey God. Unrepentant sinners can be put out of the church without the church failing to address the LGBTQ issues. They have in God’s way and the LGBTQ may not like it.

Third, a church does not fail if they do not have anyone to train willing members or pastoral staff in how to handle LGBTQ members who are seeking to repent of their sins honestly and correctly. It does no one any good to place untrained people in positions of responsibility as serious as this.

Fourth, the church does not fail if God does not redeem the LGBTQ member. Redemption is up to God not the church and there could be many reasons why the LGBTQ is left in their sins.

Robert’s church leaders didn’t condone Robert’s behavior and urged him to resist his same-sex desires. A few times, Robert repented of his homosexual behavior and vowed to stop. But after three years of struggle, Robert gave in. He began living openly as a gay man and left his church. His parents left too, and began attending a gay-affirming, mainline church.

When Jesus said, love God with all your hearts ,souls and minds, he did not exclude family members or those family members who opt to live a sinful lifestyle. It is a hard choice to make but God has to be above your own loved ones. Parents and family members are not to let their sinful relatives or friends lead them away from the truth or God.

Now LGBTQ people may say that the church failed here but even the hated conversion therapy is not 100% successful. Also, it may be that the elders did not know how to handle the situation and gave bad advice. In this day and age, church leaders should be asking how to handle these issues. Even if it is just to get the struggling members to someone who can help them.

Also, most people are not aware that homosexuality and transgender is a spiritual battle not a sexual or identification one. Spiritual warfare needs to be accepted and prepared for, not dismissed like some modern believers do. God wants warriors not playground enthusiasts.

Yet as Revoice shows, embracing gay identity is becoming increasingly popular among Christians.

This we have noticed as well. Why people are supporting it is beyond us as none of the LGBTQ preferences offer anything from God or anything constructive to the world. That lifestyle does show people living selfishly, and sometimes very spoiledly. They are not humble enough to give up all their sins to love God but demand love from him.

The Four Main Views on LGBTQ Issues

We actually do not care for these 4 views and think the cloud the issue. We would say that there is a possibility for redemption, and that some people are given over to their sinful lusts and may not be able to be redeemed from that action.We believe Jesus can make all members of the LGBTQ a new creature, but not all are eligible for that redemption and some refuse to accept it.

We like the KISS principle- Keep it simple, stupid. And to keep it simple we stick to the truth and reject those theories that do not bring the truth in love to the issue. In this section and the one immediately above, the church has not failed. The church has neither the power nor the authority to change God’s or LGBTQ’s  decisions on these two matters.

But Revoice organizers go even further. They actually suggest that LGBT identity can be a virtue. As presenter Grant Hartley states, “Christians have often discarded the virtues of queer culture along with the vices .

There are absolutely no virtues found in the LGBTQ position. It is sin from evil and it is a tragedy waiting to get its foot in the door of the church. They have nothing to offer the church and only brings Gods anger on the church for calling evil good, etc.

If the church is going to effectively address LGBTQ issues, it must offer hope of sexual redemption. But many conservative Christian leaders are afraid to do so.

Yes and no. Church leaders may be afraid but that is because they may not know enough, they have not learned more from God or know how to approach him on  this issue.  There are a lot of factors why church leaders and members do not respond as some people would like them to. We need to be fair understanding and cautious about addressing supposed failures in the church.

Not everyone is going to be on the same page in this issue. We leave gay therapy up to the Christian experts and rarely talk about it. It is not our focus here. We can encourage church leaders to become more educated but we would want them to address a variety of topics not just the LGBTQ issue. But they also may not have the time to do it, churches and thier leaders have other problems to focus on. Then, God leads his people. He may not want a specific church or church leader involved in such issues. The church does not fail because God has not led them to address those issues. God may have led them to focus on other vital problems

One cannot point the finger at a church unless they truly know the church and its leaders have dropped the ball.

If we truly love people like Robert, and truly believe the gospel, we must move from simply renouncing error to proclaiming the hope of transformation.

All we can say is ‘stand in line’ there are a myriad of church members, each with their own pet project wanting the church to do something. The question is, why are people passing the buck to the church? if God has placed something on your heart, make sure it is of God and start learning how to correctly handle the issue. We would like to say to people like that author, as pastors, fine, go get correctly biblically educated. Learn how to handle the problem and then come back and roll up your sleeves and get started dealing with the issue.

There is no biblical or church law that restricts members from becoming properly educated, be spirit led and getting involved in issues to the glory of God. There is also no biblical or church law that states that the pastor, the elders, the deacons and their wives do all the work in the church. Just make sure you learn  the lessons God will bring correctly.

God uses all his followers.not just the church leaders. He wants all of his followers properly educated and able to find the truth. He also wants his  followers to follow his lead, instructions, commands and so on correctly. The choice is up to you.


Peter Enns & Genesis

You can read his full article at the following link. We are only going to address those statements that are interesting and need to be addressed.

I recently sat down with myself to ask myself some questions that keep coming up

I post anything on evolution.

It is these questions and some of his comments that we will look at here. Strange that he never comes to a different answer than that science trumps God.

#1. why do you think evolution is true?

I believe that evolution is one of the things that science has gotten right, along with many other things we take for granted every day, because this is the resounding conclusion of the scientific community, including Christians trained in the sciences.

We will have to ask a couple of questions that have not been answered by anyone. First, where in the Bible do both God and Jesus say to take science over their words?  They don’t but that doesn’t seem to stop some people from doing it anyways.

Second, who is the scientific community and what authority do they have that they can say God is wrong? Of course, most people siding with science try to make the Bible a human-authored book. This way, in their minds, they are not attacking God but subjective human thinking. Unfortunately for them The Bible is not a human authored work.

We disagree. Science has not got evolution correct. In fact, they change their minds so much about that theory that the theory is useless to anyone. The fact that evolution has never existed seems to escape the mind of Mr. Enns. Another fact that seems to escape Mr. Enns is that the scientific community is made up of unbelievers, the very people Jesus described as lost, blind and deceived. So how can they get our origins right when they do not have the truth or the SPirit of truth helping them

Without actually being trained in the sciences, it would be rather stupid and arrogant of me to feel I have something to say that would sweep all that away.

It is not arrogance to sweep away the lies produced by the scientific community with the truth of God.

#2.But what about the Bible? Doesn’t Genesis have something to say about all this?

Simply put, no—not in the sense that Genesis is a competing “data set” to scientific models of cosmic and human origins.

Uhm, Mr. Enns, the correct answer is — yes. Genesis has a lot to say about our origins. Especially since our origins was not done in a scientific manner. It is science that has no say about our origins. Creation was a one-time supernatural act that was conducted by a supernatural being with all supernatural power. Science cannot comprehend that fact. What science describes is an unverifiable and unprovable alternative created by people who do not believe God and want nothing to do with him or have him part of their scientific work. How can they know more than God?

The stories in Genesis were written somewhere between 2500 and 3000 years ago, and clearly reflect cultural categories older still.

This is absolutely not true. The quoted idea comes from those scholars who do not believe the Bible or that anything prior to Omri actually took place. Usually these scholars are called Minimalists. They throw out most of the OT because they claim that there is no evidence. When shown evidence, they will close their eyes and state that the events did not happen or try to undermine the evidence in some way.

The Bible was not written as Mr. Enns claims. Most of the OT was written prior to the 5th to 7th centuries BC. Then the OT is not an adaption of other civilizations cultural works or beliefs. That would eliminate God, his supernatural status and power. It would also end salvation as we know it and have billions of people running around looking for God and his divine instructions.

Mr. Enns has no idea what his thoughts do or what problems they cause for himself and everyone.

I don’t expect Genesis or any other Bronze or Iron Age text to answer the kinds of questions we can answer today through calculus, optical and radio telescopes, genomics, biological and cultural anthropology.

Briefly, Mr. Enns does not realize it but those research fields, etc., do not answer any of our questions like Genesis does. They usually bring more questions.

#3. But aren’t you forgetting that the Bible is the very word of God? Why are you assuming that science trumps the Bible?

I’m neither forgetting nor assuming anything, nor am I unconsciously enslaved to some deeply held anti-God presupposition.

Rather, I have come to conclusions about these matters.

They are erroneous conclusions which he refuses to change when shown to be in error. We have tried before. Mr. Enns needs to answer the question, how does he think that fallible humans who use only partial evidence can come to the truth over the God who was there, did the did and has all the evidence?

The Bible speaks the “language” of ancient people grappling with things in ancient ways, and therefore what the Bible records about creation or the dawn of humanity needs to be understood against the cultural backdrop of the biblical writers, not the past 200 years of scientific investigation.

No the Bible is a divine revelation to man, who penned God’s words which contain the truth about our origins. There is no grappling being done in those pages of scripture and there is no ancient cultural spin put on God’s words. Science is not a light illuminating the truth to a dark world. Scripture is.

#4. But doesn’t Jesus trump all of this? I mean, he refers to Adam and seems to take Genesis quite literally. Don’t you think you need to obey Jesus rather than science?

The Bible says if you do not believe Moses how will you believe the words of Jesus (paraphrase John 5: 45ff). Obviously, Mr. Enns does not believe Moses and he does not believe the words of Jesus. He is not the person to go to find any answer.

As irreverent as that may seem, it is an implication of the incarnation. Jesus wasn’t an omniscient being giving the final word on the size of mustard seeds, mental illness, or cosmic and biological evolution. He was a 1st century Jew and he therefore thought like one.

So to him Jesus was just an ordinary man who can be trumped by science. Yet does Mr. Enns hold to John 3:16? If so, how can that be if he does not believe Jesus’ words about creation, Adam and Eve and other OT events? Does he pick and choose which words of Jesus he will accept and which ones he will deny? How was Jesus qualified to be our savior if he was not whom he said he was and did not have the final word on everything?

How can we go to Jesus with our problems if he was like Mr. Enns said? Obviously, Mr. Enns demotes both God and Jesus to sub standard deities or humans while promoting science over them. That is heresy, blasphemous and more negatives.

#5. So, to sum up, and since you asked, to reject evolution on Christian grounds would be to claim some superhuman insight into scientific matters that can only be described as idiosyncratic bordering on delusional, to misunderstand the nature of Scripture they are trying to protect, and to sport a heretical Christology that doesn’t take seriously Jesus’s full humanity.

First, the only one being heretical is Mr. Enns as he makes Jesus after his own image and does not grasp the full reality of who Jesus was. Second, Both God and Jesus said to believe them not science so we reject evolution on Christian grounds because it is not the truth. It is a man-made alternative to trick people into destroying themselves.

Third, those of us who know the truth know that the only delusional are those who opt for evolution over God’s word. We know that science is blind, deceived, lost and looking for answers in the wrong places by going down the wrong paths. Science is in need of a savior, it is not the savior.


Our Comments on a Few Topics 4

There are a few news stories that deserve our attention but we cannot do them all justice. We will make a few comments about each one

#1. A well-written article

The dangers are great from the progressive ideology, but very often the issue seems to take care of itself. Progressive churches collapse in on themselves, and people stop attending, because people are looking for the truth, not a truth, not a relative opinion, or a viewpoint or a universalist one of many ways to the summit, but people are looking for solid truth, a rock to stand on, and progressivism offers a wishy-washy “love above all else” which jettisons truth, ethics, and revelation for the sake of not offending anyone.

We enjoyed it and it covered the topic probably better than we could. We have written on Progressive Christianity before, including addressing Benjamin Corey’s posts. Sin is given a free pass in that ideology and one should be wary of those who promote that thinking.

#2. There are several of these stories

A former board member of the multi-campus Life Center Assembly of God church in Tacoma, Washington, has filed a formal complaint with federal and state agencies alleging that Dean Curry, who was recently dismissed as the church’s pastor, previously engaged in multiple instances of sexual misconduct involving church members and employees.

We are going to address them all right here. When you start playing with God’s commands and instructions, then you are opening yourself up to attacks from evil. The more you alter what God has said, the more vulnerable a believer becomes. It doesn’t matter if you are a pastor church leader or just a pew warmer the further you get from God the easier it is for evil to destroy your spiritual life.

We are sad that the newspaper is filled with several of these stories. They give the church and God a black eye. Even though people will fail, the unbelieving world does jump on these situations and use them to their fullest unbelieving potential. We can only recommend that you start or continue to pray for your pastors and church leaders.

#3. The Bible is the only authority

North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley recently explained to popular radio host and Messianic Jewish author Michael Brown why he’s quit using the term “the Bible says.”

In an episode of Brown’s podcast “Line of Fire” that aired Monday afternoon, Stanley explained why, although he considers the Good Book inerrant, the term “the Bible says” doesn’t work with those he’s trying to evangelize.

We disagree. Billy Graham once said that every time he used the phrase the Bible says or something similar, he felt power in his words. Saying the Bible says means you are not preaching or evangelizing out of your own knowledge or understanding and recognizing that God and the Bible are the authority for this world. The Bible has the answers for everyone in the world today.

No matter what people say, it does work for everyone needing to be evangelized or to meet life’s situations. Using the Bible gives God the opportunity to win souls, as he said his word does not return to him void. The phrase will work when done correclty, the unchurched world needs to hear what the Bible does say.

#4. Faith healing problems

A young Oregon Christian couple who relied on faith alone to heal their sick newborn twin daughter were sentenced to nearly seven years in prison for the baby’s death in 2017 after pleading guilty to criminally negligent homicide, the Clackamas County District Attorney’s Office announced Monday.

As a condition of their guilty plea, Sarah Mitchell, 25, and her husband, Travis Mitchell, 22, who were members of the controversial Followers of Christ Church in Oregon City, had to sign a statement saying: “We should have sought adequate medical care for our children and everyone in the church should always seek adequate medical care for our children.”

Faith healing is misunderstood by both the churched and unchurched world. We have written long posts on the topic (search faith healing). Do not expect the unbelieving world to accept something they do not understand. Do not expect them to react the way God would want. When children are involved God and his ways go out the window. Emotions rule not rational and logical thinking. Faith healing is also not what you expect it to be. You can pray, go to a faith healer or you can use faith and go to the hospital.

Also, not all people who use faith healing are actually Christian and their efforts will not work.

#5. Archaeology does it again

Archaeologists have reportedly uncovered the ancient entrance gate to the biblical city of Zer in Israel, also known as Bethsaida, which is mentioned in the New Testament as the city where Jesus fed the 5,000 with five loaves and two fish in one His most well-known miracles.

“There are not many gates in this country from this period. Bethsaida was the name of the city during the Second Temple period, but during the First Temple period it was the city of Zer,” said Dr. Rami Arav, director of the Bethsaida Project, according to The Jerusalem Post

It is a good article, we won’t complain

#6. Oh the weird things scientists conclude– .

Scientists have discovered the world’s oldest color — bright pink.

The road to the revelation of the world’s oldest color began when a company drilled deep into the Earth in search of oil. While probing beneath the surface of the Sahara Desert in search of oil, the company hit some black, oily rocks.

The company then sent those rocks to the Australian National University, The Guardian reported.

Ph.D. student Nur Gueneli then decided to crush those rocks into a fine powder, and upon doing so, she obtained bright pink pigments.

Conclusions like this make us wonder about the sanity and mental health of a majority of scientists. We run into this type of thinking a lot and it makes no sense, considering that no other rocks from the same era from different locations in the world were tested. But then maybe we are expecting too much from the lost, blind and deceived world.

An associate professor at the university, Jochen Brocks, claimed that the bright pink pigments even date back to a time when animals were not roaming the Earth

This, like the declaration that bright pink is the world’s oldest color, is impossible to prove or even verify. It is just dumb to make those type of announcements.

#7. Some good and bad news

the good– The Nigerian Army revealed that close to 1,000 hostages, mainly women and children, have been freed following a massive week-long battle against Islamic radical group Boko Haram in northeastern Nigeria.

the bad– Despite the significant success in Borno over the past week, a United Nations envoy has warned that Boko Haram is still years away from being eliminated

We are glad women and children have been rescued. We are sad, knowing that no matter what we do sin will abound till God ends time on this earth. If it isn’t Boko Haram then it will be another group from another country. Keep praying for those persecuted and for the souls of the persecutors

#8. These are weak reasons

The belief that science has an answer for everything seems universal. Often alongside it is the notion that God is therefore redundant and that believing in him is reminiscent of believing in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

First off, those supposed Christian scientists who say that God lied and did not create as he said are not the reason why science hasn’t done away with a belief in God. The main reason why it hasn’t is because science is not dealing in the truth and is incapable of proving God and the Bible wrong.  Actually we felt all those reasons were very bad and should not be considered real reasons.

#9. We do not believe them

Elders of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois have now admitted that founder and former senior pastor Bill Hybels “entered into sin,” adding that they should have believed the women who made sexual misconduct accusations against him earlier this year.

“We apologize and ask for forgiveness that the tone of our initial response was not one of humility and deep concern for all the women involved. It takes courage for a woman to step forward and share her story,” the elders of the evangelical megachurch wrote in a statement published on Saturday.

“We are grieved that we let Bill’s statement stand for as long as we did that the women were lying and colluding. We now believe Bill entered into areas of sin related to the allegations that have been brought forth.”

It sounds more like damage control than the truth. Also, since that church practiced unscriptural things, it is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Getting to the truth is not easy but one rule of thumb is that the accusers are not always telling the truth and the accused is not always guilty or lying. That board also seems to be ignoring the issue of temptation and other spiritual influences that may lead both the accused and the accusers to say and do things they should not.

We cannot trust that board to produce the truth. Nor can we trust Scot McKnight’s words in a follow up article:

Responding to Willow Creek Community Church’s recent apologies for the way the leadership handled sexual misconduct allegations against founder Bill Hybels, New Testament scholar Scot McKnight argued that the victims had no choice but to go public and expose misconduct.

McKnight, who attended the South Barrington, Illinois, megachurch for 10 years, argued on his Jesus Creed blog that autonomy may be largely to blame for how the church’s leadership failed the women.

“What the power brokers think of first is protecting the institution, which is (sad to say) protection of the power at the top,” he wrote.

We are not saying the Mr. Hybels is innocent and we are not saying that the accusers are lying. We are saying is that too much smells here and we do not like what we read about the whole situation.

With autonomy, McKnight argued that there is usually “too much authority in the inner circle at the top and voicelessness for too many.

It is a difficult issue, one which we will not go into very deeply, but Mr. McKnight needs to remember that the church is not a church for the people, by the people, of the people. The church is owned and operated by God and he sets up his ministers with a certain amount of authority with oversight instructions.

But we will be careful with our words as we do not know all  the  details.

#10. She is right

Lahren, speaking out in light of conservative hopes that Trump will nominate a Supreme Court justice in favor of overturning the 1973 ruling on Roe v. Wade that legalized abortion to replace the retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy, said that such a fight would be a “big mistake.”

“Yes, the new high court vacancy is a huge opportunity for conservative values and principles, I get it. And I understand the passion behind the pro-life movement,” Lahren said in her “Final Thoughts” segment on Friday on Fox News Insider.

“But to use conservatives’ new-found power and pull to challenge a decision that — according to a new Quinnipiac poll — most Americans support, would be a mistake,” she added.

She is right as we said in the title. It is easy to overturn a law and let someone else handle the problem. Our question is, what programs do the supporters of overthrowing Roe v. Wade have put in place and are ready to go, fully funded, to handle the problems that come if they are successful in making abortion illegal?

There is more to this issue than just changing a law. Men and women are not just going to throw themselves and repent of their sinful ways because the church has won its battle. There are real problems that have to be dealt with that the church cannot walk away from. Is the church prepare to handle those problems? Salvation is not done through preaching a gospel message alone. It takes involvement, rolling up one’s sleeve, and getting bruised and it takes prayer and more.

Sadly, many Christians and churches just want to take the easy way out and send the problem back to God. God is waiting for his people to stop doing that and obey his commands and get involved in unbelievers lives correctly. God has chosen his people to to do the work with his help. When God sent his people through the desert to Sinai, he may have led them, but the people of Israel still had to march through the desert, experience the good and the bad times and learn how to keep their eyes on God.

The same with the issue of abortion. Overturning the law is just the beginning not the end of Christian work in this issue.


Raising Godly Children

Our inspiration for the following comes from God who used the following article to bring it to our attention

We are not going to address that article as our opinion of her has not changed since we spent 2 articles addressing her words. That article is also too general and does not pinpoint exactly which church and cultural stereotypes she is avoiding or condemns.Her focus puts her off track and opens herself up to false teaching etc. But we have not addressed the subject of raising godly children before.

We are not going to be able to get to all the scripture passages that help parents raise godly children. We hope that parents will see what we are saying and explore the bible for other passages of scriptures which will help them deal with their children’s questions, issues andproblems. Parents need to let God direct them to the right passages, then follow the Holy Spirit to the truth and understand how that truth apples. Then they need to learn, some of them, how to communicate that truth to their children.

Finally, they need to aoid one of the biggest enemies of parenting- hypocrisy. God is not a do as I say not as I do God. He practices what he tells us to do. Parents must do the same. There is no particular order to the list of items we address here.

#1. Influence

Probably one of the best pieces of parenting advice comes from Dr. Mark Lee who was associated with Dallas Theological Seminary in  the last century. In one of his lectures or extension classes we attended, he told the story about his teenage son who wanted to hang out with some non-christian boys. We all know that teenagers sometimes do the opposite of what their parents say. You tell them not to hang out with certain people, the next thing you know they are hanging out with them.

Dr. Lee must have considered that when he gave his instructions to his son. He told him that it was okay for his son to hang out with the boys, AS LONG AS he was an influence on them and they were not an influence on him. Peer pressure is a strong influential force but if given the right advice, your children can overcome it and not lose their faith. The result of that advice was the boy listened to his father and his non-Christian teenage friends eventually became Christian.

The right advice given in the right way can save years of heartache.

#2. Prayer

A). The Bible tells us to pray without ceasing but young children do not know how to do that. They need to be taught how to pray correctly, understand what Jesus meant by his words in the Lord’s prayer and so on. Teaching a children how to pray may be a lifesaver when you cannot be there to help  them through their difficulties. Children need to learn how to rely on God and bring their requests to him properly.

They also need to be taught the difference between being selfish and asking the right way for their needs, etc.

B). Parents need to pray correctly for their chidren. Again, not selfish prayers but prayers that go hand in hand with their decision to dedicate their child to God. God takes those dedications seriously and they are not an insurance policy keeping them from hell. Then children should hear their parents pray for them. This should be done honestly. Parents should not be saying to each other- here come the kids let’s start praying for them. No the prayers of the parents should be honest and filled with real attitudes about their chidren’s lives.

One way to coommuncate care for one’schildren is to pray for them constantly. They face te same struggles as their parents and are away from home a lot these days. They need a lot of prayer.

#3. Love-

The Bible tells us to love God with all of our hearts souls and minds and to love others as ourselves and as Jesus loved us. But again children cannot always do that on their own. They need to be taught the correct meaning of the word love. They need to be taught how God defines the word. 1 Cor. 13 plays a role here as it defines love as Jesus lived it. The secular world and most churches do not know how to love correctly. Parents need to look to God to help them learn, understand and practice real love.

While love includes encouragement, support and acceptance, it also brings the truth, honesty, sound doctrine and does not leave people in their sins. Love also means putting God ahead of loved ones and personal desires. It looks to be fair, just and merciful when needed. It looks to do right and avoid wrong and again,  these actions are as God defines them not other humans or the secular part of this world.

Love also does not compromise with the unchurch world. It doesn’t change its message just to appease those who do not want to follow God and his ways.

#4. Teaching-

Deut. is full of verses recording God’s instructions to his people. They were to teach their children the ways of God, his instructions, and commands. The reason for this was for the children to learn to fear God. Not be afraid of him but respect and follow his ways. The New Testament also tells parents to teach their children. 1 Tim. tells us to study. God does not want ignorant followers who refuse to grow up. He needs knowledgeable people filled with the truth to do his work for him.

Whether you send your children to a public school or not is not the issue here. Parents can teach their children at all times and God says to do that in Deut. We do not leave a child’s education up to the blind, deceived and lost world. The right education is important if a parent does not want their children to lose their faith when they get older and exposed to different views.

It means teaching the Book of Genesis correctly and answering your children’s questions properly, with godly answers and the truth. In other words parents, you need to know the Bible better and ask God for help to understand his words so you can answer your children’s questions correctly. If you love your children you do not leave them vulnerable to the secular world or evil to pluck them away.

Then parents need to teach their children the difference between true and false teaching. To put it simply, false teaching leads people away from the truth and encourages people to disobey God.

#5. Obedience-

The Bible tells us that to obey is better than sacrifice. To have godly children they need to be taught how to obey correctly. Even if it means losing something they value. God values obedience and Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments. We cannot stress this enough as the world and the church have enough problems from those who refuse to obey God correctly.

Obedience is also key to evangelism. No one can expect unbelievers to take God and his word seriously if his own followers do not. Disobedience is one of the greatest stumbling blocks to successful evangelism and discipleship. God rewards the obedient and as we have seen throughout the OT & NT he punishes those who  lie, steal, murder and disobey.

#6. Character

The Bible tells us to

  • Rid yourself of all malice, deceit hypocrisy, envy…”
  •  “Desire pure spiritual milk…that you may grow…”
  •  “Walk in the light as he is in the light…

A godly child should have a godly character, one that is guided by truth, honesty, integrity and fueled by the right desires. Also, a godly child avoids sin, does not walk in the counsel of the ungodly. He and she are also given wise counsel by their parents. They get good advice on how to live and respond to different situations, events and tragedies.

There are a lot of verses that pertain to this point including the descriptions of the fruits of the Spirit.

#7. Misc.-

There are a lot of minor issues that a godly child does and does not do. They recognize that the body is God’s temple and they do not mark it up with tattoos or pollute it with the wrong food and drink. They do not cross dress or encourage others to do so. This may seem like it is bowing to stereotypes but one must remember that God was the first to say for boys not to wear women’s clothes and girls not to wear men’s clothing.

The right clothes go on the right gender’s body. Before attacking stereotypes one must make sure God did not institute that particular aspect of adornment or behavior. parents are not to raise their children in a way that allows false teaching to lead them to destruction. IN other words when a boy child says things like, I like boys, or a girl child says I am a boy, it does not mean they are expressing an alternative sexual preference or that they are identifying their true gender identity.

They are too young to know such things and need to be properly guided away from such thinking. Love does not allow a child to pursue sin. The secular world will get upset but they do not love your child.

Then finally, for children to properly grasp what a godly life is, they need to be taught correctly about persecution. They need to be made aware that those who follow Jesus will suffer in some way. Then they need to be taught how to turn the other cheek, pray for those that persecute them and then finally teach the children how to return good for evil.

A godly child obeys God even when things are not going their way. They learn how to handle the hurt and the pain without sinning.

All of this is done to the glory of God.





Signs of the Times

We are sure just about everyone has heard about the church in  Auburn, Indiana by now. Their sign has raised more than just a few hackles. Well, now they have been given the boot

A church in Indiana has been evicted from its building for placing a sign outside that read, “LGBTQ is a hate crime against God.”

In this issue, one of the key biblical teachings that has been missing is Jesus’ instruction to return good for evil. The LGBTQ community has often been deprived of the results of that command and the church has not received it in return when their acts are deemed not good by the LGBTQ communnity.

There are other biblical teachings that are missing from the issue as well. But we have pointed those out in earlier posts. If one wants to use the definition of the word as it is applied by most people today, one can say that the sign is very correct as the LGBTQ community certainly do not demonstrate any love for God. They do demonstrate a lot of hatred for his instructions, commands and definitions of the word sin.

It is not just the church who is appearing to use hatred in their behavior. Our issue here is not with the sign. We think it is telling the truth but that truth could be spoken in a more tactful way. What bother us is the words of one resident quoted by the author of that article. That is what we will look at here today.

It is beyond a doubt that some of us have strong feelings about this church/sign and these beliefs,” the resident, Kristin Russell, wrote on Facebook. “I want everyone who comes to come with open arms and open minds.

To us, it is amazing how some people think that their wants, desires and expectations gets to over-rule everyone else’s and God’s desires and wants. Why is her desires more important than that church’s? Why is it more important than God’s? Maybe it is because she knows she sins a lot and she wants people to accept her sins and all. We do not know, That is our guess.

No hate allowed.

It has become quite clear that a lot of people do not understand what hate really is. Disagreeing with someone does not mean you hate them. Trying to save someone from their sins and destruction is not a hate crime or an action motivated by hate. The hypocritical thing here is that she does not mind hate being used against that church. If no hate is allowed, then why was that church forced out of their building? It is not the church that is displaying hatred in this situation but thse who do not like what the church says.

If that resident wants people to have open hearts and minds, then they need to practice that attitude with the church no matter what it says on its sign. What we see is that hatred is allowed if it is directed against the church and Christians only. But that is the way it is with the unbeliever. They refuse to meet God’s regulations and cover their ears when God’s message is brought to their attention. They call it hate, denying academic freedom and so on.

They then turn around and deny Christians the same attitude they want the church to use. They want the church and Christians to change God’s message to the world. That is definitely not showing love to God.Of course, that change cannot be done.

Positive, progressive, and loving signs are welcome and encouraged

Of course they are. People want to get to heaven and have eternal life without following Gd’s instructions. They do not want to do one simple act of repentance or give up their sin to achieve that desire. They want to corrupt paradise and make it like life here on earth. Sadly, these people do not realize or accept the fact that they are being used by evil to ruin God’s creation and get back at God for their expulsion from paradise. Ouor battle isnot with our fellow humans.

Bring friends and family. Overall, I would just like the message of loving everyone despite differences to get across.

Yet, she and others like her will not do that in response to the church’s actions. Again, it is a hypocritical demand. Also, she and people like here do not understand that it is not loving to keep people in their sins.  Or that it is not loving to let people continue towards destruction without warning. A person swimming in a river may not know a waterfall is ocming. It is not a hate crime to warn them about their pending doom. Just because the swimmer ignores the warning or does not believe a waterfall is coming does not make the waterfall and their destruction go away

But the Bible tells us that people will only want to hear what they want to hear and that they are going to be willfully ignorant. Maybe the church should find a better way to warn LGBTQ members than that sign.

Please please do not bring any negativity with you, and let’s just show this church that Auburn stands with the LGBTQ+ community, and that God and churches can as well!

Sadly, that woman knows nothing about God and negativity. She certainly displayed a lot of it when she used hate to oppose that church and its sign. God does not stand with practicing sinners. God does not want his followers to stand with practicing sinners and support their evil ways. Only evil wants that to take place. What she and people like her forget is that there is more to biblical teaching than love your neighbor as yourself.

There are moral standards to uphold. As well as standards of right and wrong along with good and evil. The problem here is that those opposing the church and the complete biblical teaching are blind and deceived.  They need prayer not retaliation. They need to be helped when in trouble, another biblical teaching, and they need to be comforted as well.

Those actions that resident and others like her will accept. But they will not acept the fact that they are sinners going to hell because hell is not loving, open-minded, open-armed, progressive and so on. It also reminds them that they have no hope.

In a statement posted to Facebook last week, Remnant Fellowship offered no apologies to those who were offended by the display, which some deem as being “anti-LGBT.”

Why should they apologize, they did nothing wrong. You only apologize when you actually do something wrong and are truly sorry for your actions. Offending someone is not necessarily doing something wrong. People get offended by the littlest detail these days and it is almost impossible to not offend someone. Being a Christian is an offense to the unbelieving world so how is a Christian not going to offend someone? We hold different beliefs, have different goals and objectives, live differently and so on. Jesus said he would divide families so offending a practicing sinner is not a big deal.

Even Christians get offended by other Christians so apologies are not the go to response to solve the issue. Then, of course, some peope will call it anti-LGBTQ. That is because the LGBTQ community and its supporters hate anything and label it anti them whenever someone says anything that disagrees with their accepted ideology.

But those practicing sinners do not realize that they are anti-God with their views and preferences. They also will not accept tha label. They ignore the biblical teaching that says God said he who is not for me is against me. That comment seems to have slipped their attention. Ignoring or trying to change biblical teaching makes the LGBTQ community and its supporters very anti-God and they owe him more than just an apology.

It is not up to the church to repent and get right with the LGBTQ community and their sinful ideology. It is up to the LGBTQ community to show their love for God and repent of their sins and get right with God. All of them, including their LGBTQ preferences. The church may no tbe perfect but it only needs to please God correctly. It is not commanded to please the LGBTQ community or its supporters.



At Least Be Respectful

When a person labels themselves a bible scholar like Benjamin Corey does, another person expects a better level of debate or discourse. Now as we go through the following article

they may think we are ranting. We are not. We have far more respect for women to let certain groups of bible studiers get away with reducing a woman’s identity and sum of their worth to a mere intimate body part. Sure those people may want to ‘push the envelope’, ‘think outside the box’, or let everyone know they know the scientific word for private parts and can use it freely.

Just because you can use the term does not mean you should.

What About A Vagina Makes It So Hard To Teach The Bible?

Maybe we are a bit prudish but we do not care. women should be treated far better than that title is doing. Women are more than just a sexual being and shoul dbe treated, even in this discourse with a little more respect. That little more means the truth should be told. It is not because a woman has a certain intimate body part that they are banned from speaking in the church.

Paul made this clear in 2 places.

11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first [h]created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, [i]fell into transgression. (1 Tim. 2 NASB)


34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is [n]improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 [o]Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? (1 Cor. 14 NASB)

It was because of their sin not because they are differently equipped that keeps them from being part of Church leadership. These are instructions that we need to take seriously because it was not the culture of that time that banned women from being a minister or preacher or whatever word you want to use. It was God doing the banning for a very specific holy reason. We do not have the authority to overturn God’s decision.

Once you get the reason wrong in this issue, then you start to get everything wrong in the issue.

We all know what people like John Piper think about women preaching and teaching the Bible from a church pulpit:

That kind of thing is a boys only job.

Uhm…no… It isn’t because it is a boy’s club that women are not allowed. See above. But once you start to distort the issue and take the ban down from its divine place, then certain believers and bible scholars start looking for other false reasons to blame for the omitting of women from the pulpit.

Personally, I don’t even know why a reader/listener of his would even ask the question– in 2015 he was asked whether or not women should be allowed to be police officers, and his response was more of the same, yet broader:

Everyone asks this question. It doesn’t matter what year it is. The bible does not change and those words are present in every age and people are going to question God’s decision. Sometimes it is just to understand it, other times they are being tempted by evil to reject God over a simple instruction that does not hurt anyone. Charles Templeton was one such man. Billy Graham once described Mr. Templeton as a better evangelist than himself. Yet evil found a way to destroy the man and his godly ministry.

The issue is not whether or not the question should be asked today but why are believers not learning from the mistakes of others? We are not talking about Mr. Piper’s position on women pastors and teachers over men.

So here’s where we’re at:

Women have the intelligence to teach the Bible.

Women have the competence to teach the Bible.

Women have the skills and abilities necessary to teach in general…

They just shouldn’t use those skills and abilities, and they shouldn’t use that competence and intelligence, if it means that men are in the audience.

The question is, why do people have a problem with this? Years ago there was a slogan that many believers used to defend their Christian belief. It went like this– God said it, I believe it and that settles it. But over the decades, that saying went out of vogue as more and more people stopped believing what God said. His word was not settled and they started to drift off to alternative ideas, including allowing women to sin and violate God’s instructions.

We should point out that Paul’s words quoted above, did not come from his infamous 1 Cor. 7 passage where he said he was giving his thoughts and not God’s. They come from two very serious and completely divinely inspired boooks of the NT. God has given his instructions and he is a God who values obedience. Then it should be noted that the reasons for this ban are not to make women inferior or second class. God points to very legitimate reasons why they are not to have authority over a man, be pastors and so on.

Again we should take those instructions very seriously as the reasons humans give are vastly different from the ones God gave and humans looking to disobey God do not trump God and his word.

While I’ve been a Christian more years than not, and hold steadfastly to our faith, I have to admit: the idea that having a vagina should disqualify someone from using their God-given gifts or hard-earned knowledge, is one of the most dangerous and mission-defeating ideas we’ve ever come up with.

No it is not. That is pure hyperbole and misleading. We are not placed on this earth to change the rules just because someone does not want to join the club. Our mission is not to get anyone and everyone to join the church regardless of the instructions. Our mission is to get everyone saved then teach them God’s instructions. God made it very clear in Deut. 4 & 6 what we are to teach our children and those who newly enter his kingdom. We are to teach his ways, his commands, and his instructions.

No permission was granted to change those items. Especially when people did not want to follow them. It isn’t about a woman’s intimate part. It is about listening to God and obeying him. Again, having a different piece of equipment from a man is not the disqualifying factor here. Let’s keep the discussion on course and on topic.

So, what about a vagina makes it so hard to teach the Bible? Nothing.

In fact, as Piper himself admits, there is no logical reason why women cannot teach or preach the Bible, other than the Apostle Paul apparently said so 2,000 years ago.

As Rachel Held Evans pointed out, Piper presents not so much a high-view of the role of pastor, as he presents a low-view of women:

You can read anything you want into the words of other people, especially if you lower yourself to ‘interpret their words’. This includes God’s words. Again, it is not about a woman’s intimate part {yes, we are avoiding using the term vagina because it just does not seem appropriate to us to use it even though we are talking about it}.

Piper may admit that but there is not a logical reason why women are not allowed to be pastors and teachers of men, etc. God set his temple and church up to function sans women leadership and he gave us his reasons for doing it. Are we to presume that we know more than God on how to run his church? If someone thinks they do, then that is the sin of arrogance rising up influencing their thinking.

Women were also not banned just because Paul said so. If you look at the structure of both the NT church and the OT temple you see that God set it up that way. You will also see that God is consistent in his organizational structure. God is not an hypocritical God. It also has nothing to do with one modern man’s low opinion of women, if Ms. Evans is correct in her assumption.

As for me, I thank God that I didn’t spend eight years of my life studying in seminaries that listened to Piper’s illogical argument– I could not have made it, nor would I have the skills and abilities I have now, were it not for these God-honoring women who devoted themselves to training and equipping individuals like myself.

Most likey Mr. Corey would not have made it because of his beliefs, not because a woman wasn’t teaching him. They talk about a slippery slope and once you start breaking God’s rules and do not repent, it is easier and easier to slide down that slope. Dr. Corey has slidden down that slope quite a ways and it is doubtful he will ever get back to true belief again. He even admits to being a true believer but has changed over the years.

You will notice that when Jesus was tempted by evil, he used God’s word to defeat that temptation. It is pretty hard to defeat temptation when you doubt or do not accept portions of God’s word. When you knock the foundation of a building out, it is impossible for that building to stand securely or properly. In most cases, the building comes down.

That is what happened to Dr. Corey and many other believers and denominations. They have knocked their own house down by knocking out the foundation that was built on God’s words.

Yes, I am a devout Christian. Yes, I believe in the inspiration of Scripture and that scripture must be handled seriously.

How can Dr. Corey say this when he does not actually believe all scripture? He does not believe in the inspiration of all scriptures and ignores much of its teaching. We have dealt with his lack of belief over the years, including his views on LGBTQ issues, etc.

But this idea that being a woman should disqualify gifted and competent people from teaching any number of topics at a seminary level?

Well… that defies all logic, reason, and the countless experiences of all the pastors, teachers, church historians, Christian counselors, Bible translators, missionaries, and theologians, who attest to the reality that we had a richer and fuller season of preparation at seminary– not despite having female professors and mentors, but because of them. 

Woman are not banned from teaching. They can still teach other women and young children. Let’s keep the topic on track. They are barred from teaching men and God has given us his logical and rational reasons. Just because so many supposed scholars and church leaders ignore those instructions does not make allowing women teaching men correct.

We would disagree with him as a richer and fuller experience in seminary is not biblical teaching. Obedience to God and his instructions are. In answer to his few paragraphs about how a woman made his learning easier, we would suggest that maybe he just had the wrong male teachers.

The issue at hand is not just obeying God but the question, how can you get to the truth if you are ignoring God’s instructions and disobeying those instructions? If you are not following God then who are you following really? It certainly is not God.

Many years ago we went to work for a group home for boys who had a ministry in the United States and a Caribbean country. The man in charge once told us that ”you need to yoke them when they are young”. Secular psychologists also state that a child’s attitudes etc., are basically completed when they are very young. These two groups get their ideas from God who taught the parents and grandparents of the people of Israel to teach their young the ways, instructions and commands of God.

This was so ordered so that they would learn to fear the Lord and obey him. Obedience to God is the issue here,not finding a way around God’s instructions to get women into a position they are divinely banned from holding. It is not about their intimate parts or the fact that they are women. It is about obeying God. We have asked over the years, how can the church expect the secular world to convert to Jesus and follow his ways when the church does not do so?

That is a question you need to ask yourself and ask God to bring you to the right answer.

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