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Speaking of Honesty

There have been a couple of articles about how Christians use honorary degrees. The first article is found at

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/december-web-only/ravi-zacharias-case-christian-credential-inflation.html

and talks about Ravi Zacharias and his organization’s use of the honorary degrees he has received. We are not going to talk about the right or wrongness of giving or being given honorary degrees as that is up the institutions and the individuals involved.

Their reasons for giving or receiving these honors are varied, with many legitimate and some…well you know. There are other reasons why these degrees are handed out. The same reasons apply to the secular academic institutions as well.

Up until earlier this year, the RZIM bio had not used the phrase “honorary doctorates;” instead, it had stated that Zacharias had been “honored with the conferring of six doctoral degrees.” The site also previously referred to him as “Dr. Zacharias” through 2014, as did multiple press releases, news features, and event postings.

Our topic is not about Mr. Zacharias’ use of his honorary degrees, it is about honesty. While Christians want to be seen as more credible, more legitimate and accepted more by their secular peers it seems that their credentials are inflated a bit and that is a problem.

“There’s a long and not very edifying tradition of Christian evangelists and speakers inflating their credentials,” said Stackhouse. (from the above link)

One does not lose credibility or legitimacy by being honest about their credentials or their courses of study. They do lose both when others uncover that certain facts have been over-stated or embellished. Also, ones’ Christian work can suffer or the church in general faces the fallout as unbelievers tend to hold everyone at fault when these issues take place.

“Ravi Zacharias is the biggest name in apologetics currently,” said Stackhouse. “As he goes, so goes apologetics so it’s really important that he be scrupulous in everything he does.”

Yes, Mr. Stackhouse is correct. One’s witness, testimony or apologetic presentation is called into question when embellishments are discovered. Then when caught in a lie, it does not help to try and lie your way out of the sticky situation.

Nor does it help to provide a weak defense. We know of one creationist who has done this and he is now only credible to a faithful few. But there are problems everywhere with the handing out of these degrees.

https://www.tnonline.com/should-colleges-stop-handing-out-honorary-degrees

They are seen as rewards for stellar behavior, dedication to a cause or some other high achievement. Sadly, the lives of some who have received these honors failed to be as stellar and have caused some to call for the ceasing of these handouts.

But for Christians, the cost is much higher. They can lose souls over these mistakes. They can turn people permanently off the gospel and Christ when they are dishonest about the honors they are given.

Now most of us will not have to worry about this particular problem. Most of us are not in a position to receive honorary degrees as our work is not well-known, and so on. But we honesty s not limited to the use or reception of honorary degrees.

All believers have little areas in our lives where we need to be honest or our credibility, our legitimacy, our witness and so on is lost. It can be our behavior in athletic competition, taxes, lies to our children and on it goes.

We need to be honest because it is not just God who watches what we do. Even without knowing it we can turn someone off of Christ and the Christian faith. Because all our observers do not let us know they are evaluating our words and actions.

Sometimes those we have been in contact with in less than honest ways tell their friends and families who tell their friends and family and on it goes. The ripple e effect does take place.

BUT do not get into a tizzy or think you will have a nervous breakdown. There will always be people turned off of Christ no matter how honest or good we are. Plus, we believers will make mistakes. It happens. We are not going to be perfect.

The key is correct those mistakes properly and deal with the situation as God directs. One way to help cut down on these mistakes in honesty is to ask God to help you. It may mean a little less money, it may mean not getting everything you want but it is better to live the Christian life right than to gain those desires.

Of course, honesty begins with God and how we treat him, his instructions and commands. How can we be honest with the secular world if we are not honest with him, the author and finisher of our faith?

God is honest with us and keeps things simple. We need to return the favor and be honest with him.

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The Only “Accepted” Verdict

In child crime and domestic issues there only seems ot be one verdict most people will accept– guilty as accused. We find this trend very disturbing and disappointing as it certainly is not God’s way of handling justice. The church cannot participate in this trend even though many do and we have spoken of several of these instances.

One situation continues as the lead story in the Christian Post is the following

https://www.christianpost.com/news/willow-creek-association-president-apologizes-missteps-mistakes-slip-ups-hybels-scandal-226737/

Willow Creek Association President Tom De Vries apologized Thursday at the Global Leadership Summit for the “missteps, mistakes, slip-ups, blunders” made in not condemning sooner the alleged actions of Willow Creek Community Church founder Bill Hybels

For the church this cannot be. How can the world see God, how can it see true justice if even God’s followers do not practice his justice? Far too often the lost, deceived, blind secular world has been a light unto the church and it has to stop. God’s justice punishes the woman as much as it does the man. We have countless of OT & NT examples of how God’s justice works and sorry women, you do not get a free pass.

You may think that we are being dark and one-sided here but we are tired of seeing men like the one in the article get up, apologize and then state they are condemning someone who has not even been proven guilty. We are tired of seeing perverted justice masquerading as real justice and wish that the church would step up and show the world the difference.

Sadly, all the church can do is copy its sinful neighbors. Where can people go to get relief from the corrupt practices of the sinful world if the church does not present hope and a difference?

“There is no map for the journey we’ve been on. We’ve had missteps, mistakes, slip-ups, blunders not condemning Bills actions to a greater degree and more publicly; not showing more support to the women who courageously came forward with their concerns; perpetuating a narrative of false allegations and collusions. We are sorry for the places where we could and should have done better,” De Vries said in a recording of his remarks at the summit.

We do not want to diminish any act of courage women may have used to present their stories, but like a lot of commentators on articles in secular newspapers, we do not think it is that courageous to accuse someone 20-30 years later without evidence. It does not take any courage to be part of a kangaroo court or a vigilante squad.

It does take courage to stand up for proper justice, honesty and accept the laws on the books. Trying to hurt a person decades later is as much sin as the acts the accused is said to have done. This is playing out right now in the American college football world where a coach has been fired for domestic violence even though the police have found no evidence or charged him with a crime. His mother-in-law backs him not her own daughter, yet he has been tried and convicted without a real trial, with no evidence and with the police finding nothing wrong

It is not courageous to point a finger without real evidence or follow the rules on evidence, it is not justice. We are like other commentators who feel that if the act actually occurred, it would be more courageous to file a police report at the time and let the police gather the evidence while it is still exists. Then let the legal system do its job properly.

We do not find anyone courageous who does what the quoted person said and tries to condemn a man without evidence, without a proper trial, and without evidence. He does so because he is probably not a courageous man who will stand for real justice but only for the perceived accepted verdict.

It takes courage to stand with honesty, with real justice and what is right even when the crowd goes against you. That is what we have found lacking in this whole mess– honesty. That is why we probably get so upset over these situations because honesty is missing in action. It is missing from all sides of the issue. One of  the culprits that removes honesty from these affairs is interpretation.

What meaning a person places on the action of another leads to the distortion of the action and misrepresents what was done. Mr. Hybel may have innocently done the things he did with no sexual or sinful intent in mind, (we do not know, it is a possibility), but the interpretive powers of others have removed that innocence in favor of something more unwanted.

In other words, the sinful acts were not done, just read into the actions. This is done all the time and that act perverts justice. It also leads to innocent men and women being charged with offenses they did not commit. The verses we quoted in yesterday’s post did not say give us your interpretation so we can punish those you accuse. It said to give the facts so everything could be established as true. It takes honest people to not interpret the actions of others and not bring false accusations against those who did the deed.

A supposed victim may have honestly thought the sinful deed was the intent but that is not what we are talking about. Being honest means waiting for all the facts and establishing that a sinful act has been committed before making an accusation. Justice does not depend on the accusation but the truth and justice cannot be done without the truth. To get to the truth we need honesty, something that the church seems to have put aside in order to look good to the secular world.

The church is not to be concerned about how it looks to anyone. It is supposed to learn God’s ways, then implement those ways correctly so that God can be glorified and that the world sees that he exists, brings justice and cares for his creation. Obedience to God, not the accepted verdict, is the only way the Church will make an impact for him.

 

An Issue That Won’t Go Away 7

As it is with any criminal behavior involving children, when sexual accusations arise, emotions take over and honesty and justice become part of the victims. Also the rules governing investigations, legal proceedings and punishment are usurped in favor of emotional knee-jerk reactions. There are also a lot of people who have no part, jurisdiction or authority in the church or issue continuously muddying up the proceedings with their subjective viewpoints.

By now you have probably heard of the mass resignations of the Willow Creek Board and Senior Pastor. If not, you can read about it here

https://www.christianpost.com/news/willow-creek-entire-elders-board-pastor-heather-larson-resign-bill-hybels-scandal-failings-226694/

This little act seems more to be done to garner sympathy than it is to show revulsion at factual events. We do not like it, as their action is based on hearsay than actual evidence

As Rasmussen explained, the resignations follow new accusations against Hybels, made by Pat Baranowski, who says she served as Hybels’ gatekeeper in the 1980s.

No evidence was given by the accuser to support her story.  She also did not have a corroborating witness to lend any credibility to her claims. Statements like, ‘she would not lie’ or something similar are not evidence nor true character testimonies. Even the most godly people lie as evidenced by Abraham and Isaac when they lied about their relationships with their wives.

The most godly and credible people still need real evidence to show that they are telling the truth.  The word of a former staff pastor who was a former atheist and now successful christian author is not enough to bypass God’s rules. We like Lee Strobel’s book The Case for Christ and have often used it in some of our arguments. But even his word does not trump God’s rules

https://www.christianpost.com/news/lee-strobel-former-willow-creek-pastor-says-women-accusing-bill-hybels-are-godly-and-credible-226670/

My heart breaks for Pat Baranowski and all victims of Bill Hybels at Willow Creek. I never saw any hint of misconduct when I was there. Still, I know these women and they are Godly and credible. I believe them and weep for them,” he said on Twitter

In his 13 years as teaching pastor at Willow Creek he never saw any wrong behavior, yet he takes the unsubstantiated word of a few women over his own experiences.We have a problem with that. His quoted words above are evidence in support of Bill Hybels’ statements than they are for his accusers’.  Deut.19:15 says

A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed. (NASB)

and Matthew 18:16 confirms by saying

But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed (NASB)

As for the argument that there are several women accusing Mr. Hybels of sexual misconduct thus there is more than one witness to his deeds, these arguments do not hold up to scrutiny. Each woman is testifying about their own experience and do not support any claim made by any other woman. Each woman would need two more witnesses confirming their individual claims and crimes before anything could be established.

Read the last few words from the verse found in Matthew. These women may be godly and credible but they are not exempt from God’s rules.

But we are not done here as Scott McKnight, another former member, has written abput this topic, demanding or declaring that the whole board should resign. You can read his words here

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2018/08/06/willow-your-time-is-now/

One point we would like to address is

The women told the truth. The Willow narrative is a false and deceptive narrative.

Why was it so easy for the journalists at Chicago Tribune and Christianity Today to find stories from women but Willow’s so-called investigation turned up nothing?

Based on what evidence? Then we read a couple of articles at Christianity Today and they only turned up stories not evidence. Stories are not evidence. What Mr. McKnight fails to mention in his article is the following point raised by Christianity Today

Willow stated that two unnamed couples have “engaged in a coordinated effort to undermine Bill’s reputation” and have made unfair demands: (https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/march/bill-hybels-misconduct-willow-creek-john-nancy-ortberg.html)

The waters do get muddy when outsiders decided to stick their noses in where it doesn’t belong. Mr. McKnight is one of those people

New Testament scholar and author Scot McKnight, who attended Willow Creek Community Church for 10 years, separately wrote on his blog Monday that Willow Creek’s “time is up,” and that the leadership must undergo change (https://www.christianpost.com/news/willow-creeks-heather-larson-heartbroken-over-reprehensible-behavior-bill-hybels-accused-of-226642/)

You can also read his words at the link we have provided above. What we did not find in Mr McKnight’s article were God’s words, God’s instructions, God’s verses to support his point of view. We find the following words

Because of truth. Because of the gospel. Because of the grace of God.

Even though no truth or every fact has been confirmed.

Because of the women who have been wrongly maligned, unjustly accused, and publicly wounded

Sorry women but this is not justification or sound reason for unjust actions in retaliation to supposed crimes or sexual misconduct. The crime has to be established and found to be an actual crime before justice can be rendered. But justice does not always favor the victim, their family’s, friends and supporters definition of justice. Justice sometimes says that a crime was not committed. It is not justice to keep going back to trial until one gets the verdict they desire.

We also need to point out that Mr. McKnight did not produce any evidence in support of the women’s claims. This fact helps muddy the waters and leaves Mr. Hybel vulnerable to more attacks. Also, it is not Mr. McKnight’s call as to who leads the Willow Creek Church. As a former member, he gave up that right or authority when he left the church

The present leadership — from Heather Larson to the elders to the Human Resources and beyond — cannot lead Willow forward. They have failed miserably for four years.

They may have failed in his eyes but in reality, that does not matter. His is just one subjective opinion amongst thousands of them. His opening statements also disqualify him from having any say as they are already biased and founded on pre-drawn conclusions using no real evidence. As we said, he presented none to bolster his argument.

In conclusion, as we have stated, we do not find honesty or justice in these cases. We also do not find God in them either. We find people reacting out of their personal preferences, ideologies, points of view but rarely do we find anyone coming to the issue with God’s words. If God is used, it is usually out of context and ignoring many other passages of scripture.

We do not think that there are any people involved in this issue that would like to be treated as Mr. Hybel is being treated. So why are they doing it to him? We could come up with a lot more passages of scripture besides the two quoted above to show why this issue at Willow Creek, @metoo & @churchtoo, are not of God and not proceeding as God instructed. Actually we have done so in our other installments in this series.

Whether Mr. Hybel is guilty or innocent is not our cause here. Our cause is to show that Christian people who claim to love Jesus and God are not following their instructions. Jesus saw this when he was on earth and said ‘why do you call me lord when you do not do the things I say?’ In 2000 years, the church has not progressed very far in their handling of problems.

There is a song that states, ‘they will know that we are Christians by our love’, yet how is that love shown when people are thrown under the bus when mere allegations crop up and have no biblically supported methods backing their claims? It doesn’t matter the offense. Love is not just for the accuser or even only for the female gender.

If you claim to be a memebr of God’s kingdom then you must adhere to and implement God’s rules correctly

 

Going Too Far

We were going to take it easy today as we are not fully recovered but this one story stuck out and we feel it needs to be addressed. You can read the full article at the following link:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/harvard-sorority-shuts-down-over-sanctions-on-girls-only-boys-only-student-groups-226681/

Harvard Sorority Shuts Down Over Sanctions on Girls-Only, Boys-Only Student Groups

The headline is bad enough as the school implies that having single-sex organizations is wrong, illegal, violates God’s word and so on. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes God made two genders. Yes, he divided men’s clothing and hairstyles from women’s and so on. But you will notice that the Bible does not restrict humans from holding single-sex meetings, creating single-sex organizations or attending either.

The only real opposition God may have with those organizations is if they promote and practice sin/evil and refuse to do their activities for his glory. God made both men and women and gave them certain needs. Part of those needs is the desire to congregate with other members of the same gender without the presence of the opposite sex.

To violate that sanctuary is worse than excluding certain people who refuse to accept the fact that they have been deceived and led wrongly to reject their birth gender. There is something wrong with forcing single-sex organizations to open up to those people who refuse to live by the rules of right and wrong. It leads those organizations to violate God’s warning in Isaiah about calling good evil and vice versa. Leading people to sin is never a good thing to do.

We now look at some specific comments made in that article:

Single sex spaces are now regarded as “discriminatory.”

The word discrimination  is defined by the Oxford dictionary as follows:

The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

(https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discrimination)

The problem can be seen in many ways. While technically one can say that single-sex organizations are discriminatory, they are not in reality. Society traditionally has accepted certain exceptions to the rule like the Boys and Girls Scouts. These type of organizations were not set up to discriminate and bar the opposite sex from participating, but to give boys and girls a chance to just be with their own gender. There is nothing wrong with that separation. It is good for people and society in general as long as they do not teach sinful practices.

Another problem that is seen in the case of that sorority is that the sorority is not discriminating against the male sex but keeping a mentally ill person from joining their ranks.The person they are being forced to accept is a person who is being deceived or is actually thinking they are not the male gender they were born as.  Instead of enabling this thinking and letting create more problems, it is not wrong to keep such people out of female only organizations.

Those people have a problem which needs proper treatment. They do not need help in keeping their fantasy alive. Psychology is not that well tuned to be able to say when one person truly thinks they are a member of the opposite gender and  when one is faking it to gain access to areas that should wait for marriage. Keeping the those with mental issues out of a single-sex organization is not discrimination. It is a wise move to protect those members from a predator, a dangerous situation and so on.

You will find no biblical instruction telling believers to enable those who are mentally ill or under deception. Loving our neighbor does not grant permission to let others violate God’s standards of right and wrong, etc. or let them live in sin.

these organizations propagate exclusionary values that undermine those of the larger Harvard College community.

There is such a thing as common sense. God gave it to use for a reason- so we avoid doing stupid things like letting men pretend they are women so they can have access to a department store’s changing areas. Common sense is not specifically mentioned in the Bible but as we see by the Mosaic laws, it is certainly a talent that God expects us to use to stay in obedience with his instructions.

Common sense does tell us that it is more wrong to open the doors of sororities and fraternities to those who wrongfully reject their birth gender than it is to get the latter some treatment and explain to them why they cannot join. Common sense also tells us that no matter how much you mutilate your body, you still are the same gender as you were when you came out of the womb. There is no such thing as gender assignment surgery. That is a label thought up, probably, by some doctors who want to take advantage of these mentally vulnerable people and make money off of them.

Common sense a then tells us that it is not a wise move to make to place a man in a woman’s single-sex organization or a woman in an all  male organization. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure these things out. We would go as far as to say that those who advocate otherwise should be removed from their positions of leadership and retrained, until they see the light and error of their ways.

One Harvard sorority has already complied with the new rules to avoid the sanctions, agreeing to become “gender-neutral.”

Capitulating to idiotic thinking is not going to help anyone nor will it keep the standards of right and wrong intact. Nor will it protect anyone from any harm that may come by opening up single-sex organizations to the mentally disturbed. The American Armed Forces is a good example of what takes place when combining two genders under the wrong circumstances

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Awr9Du3DdGtbCw4AxRJXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA3lmcC10LXMEZ3ByaWQDZWhRWkNqbWxSOGFaanVYMTJJZG5BQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAzAEcXN0cmwDMjgEcXVlcnkDbWlsaXRhcnklMjBzZXh1YWwlMjBwcm9ibGVtcwR0X3N0bXADMTUzMzc3MDc2NQ–?p=military+sexual+problems&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-s&fp=1

Tiana Menon, Kappa president said at the time that the sorority was excited to contribute to a “healthy campus social life” at Harvard and believed that gender neutral organizations committed to empowering “female-identifying persons” have a place on campus.

How can you have a healthy campus life when you allow people to act out their gender issues and enable them to further fall into their fantasies? It is not empowering anyone by violating the sanctity of single-sex organizations. It is possible you could ’empower’ them by giving them their own sorority or fraternity chapter or that may just open those mentally deceived and ill people up to more ridicule and trigger some hidden desire to harm others.

But you do not empower people by placing others at risk of harm or embarrassment.

Harvard spokesperson Rachael Dane told The Harvard Crimson in response to Delta Gamma’s closure that the school “seeks to build a community in which every student can thrive, and it does so on the foundation of a set of shared values including belonging, inclusion, and non-discrimination.”

The problem here is where do you draw the line? The words ‘every student’ means every student, so the rapist,, the pedophile, the thief and so on must be able to thrive as well. You can argue that those elements are against the law but so was homosexuality and transgender behavior. Those elements got the laws changed to be legitimate and accepted by a few in authority, why can’t the same be done for the other criminal element in the world? They need to thrive as well on  campus.

Then the above thinking becomes discriminatory because there will be people excluded from the enlarged group. Who gets to draw the line? It is unfair to single-sex organizations if a person who doesn’t like them or has a grudge against them gets to make rules governing their association and practice. Then inclusion should not be so intrusive that it destroys a healthy and constructively contributing single-sex organization.

We could point a lot of fingers her but let’s just leave it with that those who are supporting this inclusion are not thinking the situation through very well.

Thus, the school reasoned, fraternities and sororities that intend to remain single-sex do not align with the educational philosophy of the school. Dane added that the school is “offering [those groups] supportive pathways as they transform into organizations” that do align with Harvard’s mission and values.

So we must conclude that Harvard’s mission and values do not include protecting right from wrong and that wrong behavior is as valuable and acceptable as those behaviors that follow the rules. We must also conclude that Harvard’s mission and values include the idea that the rules do not matter. If that is the case, then why does Harvard have admission rules and deny many people from attending their institution?

Fighting to break down certain rules only leads one to undermine their own position and regulations. Not all rules or laws but as you can see, violating or forcing the violation of the rules of a single-sex organization leads to undermining Harvard’s own rules and legitimacy to enforce them. This is not right.

In conclusion, God has rules. He has implemented them for humans to follow so they can find the right way to a holy life and be worthy of entering his kingdom. Those rules are not going to change. Belief in Jesus as one’s savior will always be the only way to salvation. Giving up sin will always be a requirement to live the Christian life and be part of God’s kingdom.

You can have inclusion if you disallow the very thing that ruins inclusion–sin. Harvard is not excluding sin from its campus but allowing it to be practiced more openly. There are three things to  learn  from God’s example. One, his rules will not change just because someone does not want to follow them or they want their particular sin, mental issue or deception to be practiced in his kingdom and church.

Two, God follows his own rules. He does not  lie, he does not lust, he does not murder, and he observes the sabbath, and so on. Three, he also does not let deceived, sinful, fallible, and blind culture or people influence his rules or their observance.

The church has the best example to follow and the church should protest Harvard’s and other educational institutions’ sinful practices once it gets its house in order and in line with God and his example.

 

Our Comments on a Few Topics- 6

We would like to address a few more topics

#1. Revoice revisitedhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/revoice-lgbt-christian-conference-speaker-rejects-idea-that-jesus-supports-gay-marriage-226503/

Revoice says its mission is to engage in “supporting, encouraging, and empowering gay, lesbian, same-sex-attracted, and other LGBT Christians so they can flourish while observing the historic, Christian doctrine of marriage and sexuality.”

In light of our conversation yesterday on Revoice, we decided to take another look at the organization. In this article, we found that we could agree with much of what the keynote speaker was saying. Jesus never altered God’s rules to appease or include those who did not want to follow them. What we do not like are the generalities that organization keeps putting out.

As you can see by the quoted words above, they are far to non-specific to make anyone comfortable or encourage them to support the organization. we would need specifics on those topics to understand exactly what they mean and where they stand. As for empowering, the Holy Spirit does that not an organization and that empowering follows God’s rules.

So before we say anything more, let’s have specifics. There is nothing to be afraid of if you are standing with God correctly in your beliefs. Plus, it is good to make sure your beliefs are in line with God before you voice them.

#2. It doesn’t look like thishttps://www.christianpost.com/news/what-reconciliation-looks-like-fla-church-that-once-banned-blacks-now-has-first-ever-african-american-pastor-226492/

A Florida congregation that once refused to allow African Americans to attend worship services recently appointed its first African-American pastor

We are not racists, we are not anti-women but we are for obeying God’s word. You cannot have reconciliation if you disobey God’s word. While it is good that the church has changed from their exclusive thinking, it is not good that they went from excluding blacks to excluding God. The Holy Spirit does not lead people to disobey God the father or God the Son. That would be sin and would disqualify the Holy Spirit from being God.

What we suggest is that people take a hard look at what is motivating them to move away from the instructions God has given in the bible as they try to fulfil their desires. Not every motivating spirit is of God and many will deceive unwary, immature believers into thinking they are hearing from God. When some motivating spirit or human tells you it is okay to disobey God, then they are not from God and you should take the appropriate action.

#3. Please, do not say ithttps://www.christianpost.com/news/archaeological-discovery-huge-block-once-containing-the-remains-of-peter-philip-and-andrew-found-226448/

A reliquary that once could have held the remains of the apostles Philip, Andrew and Peter, has been discovered in the ruins of what may be the ancient Israeli city of Bethsaida, a top archaeologist has said.

Oops, they went and said it. Archaeologists should know history, they should also know the traditions of the disciples and how and where they died. There is no excuse for them to say such things as this. We get disgusted at these types of comments because one, they have no hope of being verified. Two, they are misleading and have some ulterior motive behind them. Three, the archaeologists just do not know.

It is better to withhold such statements until some real evidence is uncovered verifying the claim.

#4. All they need is an excusehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-market-trader-who-lost-license-giving-away-tracts-against-homosexuality-wins-case-226449/

A Christian market trader who lost his license to set up shop in England after a customer complained about a tract he was giving out that was against homosexuality, has won his case and has been awarded damages.

While we are happy that he won his case do not be fooled. The unbelieving world does not need a reason to thwart any Christian attempt to win souls. All they need is an excuse. The non-christian world does not have an objective standard of justice that guides them. They have the hate that evil as for God and his followers. Keep that in mind the next time you want to do something for God.

Also, God does not always break believers out of prison when they are arrested like he did in the book of Acts. Have no romantic adventurous ideas in your head when you serve God. Just make sure you are serving God the way he wants you to do. And be prepared to endure while not whining and complaining about how you are treated. Sometimes, there are better ways to serve than handing out tracts.

#5. The unbelieving world is the world that is deceived- https://www.christianpost.com/news/canadian-man-changes-sex-birth-certificate-save-money-car-insurance-exposes-system-226526/

David then filed the note along with the necessary paperwork to the government for processing. A few weeks later, he received a new birth certificate with his gender marker stating that he was a woman. He would then go through the process to get a new driver’s license reflecting the female gender designation on his birth certificate. David then saved $91 per month on his car insurance.

David told CBC News that he was shocked when the new birth certificate came in the mail and made him feel like he had “beat the system.”

“I felt like I won,” he stressed. “I’m a man, 100 percent. Legally, I’m a woman.”

David assured the news organization that he does not actually identify as a woman and was just “angry” and felt like he was “getting screwed over” by the insurance company.

This article is an interesting read. It does show how the unbelieving world thinks it is better than the Christian world by its policies etc. Yet as can be seen, those policies lead people to do very unChristian acts to get ahead. The policies of the unbelieving world have people thinking they are helping a minority but in reality they are making life more unfair, more unjust, more sinful.

Remember that homosexuals and transgender make up a very minute amount of people. They should not be catered to but given help to overcome their sins. Right and wrong are not overturned because a small group of people want rights. There is a thing that is called right and wrong and that standard needs to be upheld even when those in the wrong cry and whine that they are excluded. They are excluded because they are wrong.

We do not change the rules because some people refuse to obey the rules.

 

Our Comments on a Few Topics- 5

#1. Deathhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-author-wynter-pitts-dies-suddenly-at-38-daughter-trusts-god-is-in-control-226444/

Wynter Pitts, a well-known Christian author, speaker and founder of For Girls Like You magazine, died “suddenly” on Tuesday. She was 38 and leaves behind her husband and four young girls

One of the last things Christians should be surprised at is death. Doesn’t matter the age. Why should it be one of the last things we are surprised at? Because Jesus warned us that it is appointed unto man once to die. God did not say that everyone will long a long and fulfilled life. Also we have countless accounts of people dying young in the Bible.

Because we are not guaranteed a long life, we should live our lives to the glory of God each day. That is hard to do but at least it is the right motive to live life. When people die young, we should not get angry at God. He gave zero promises about our longevity and it is usually our wants, desires, emotions that are used by evil to interfere with our relationship with God.

#2. Childbirth-  https://www.christianpost.com/news/us-is-most-dangerous-place-in-the-developed-world-for-childbirth-report-226446/

An in-depth investigation conducted by USA Today points to different reasons why the U.S. has become the “most dangerous place in the developed world” for giving birth to a child.

The investigation reveals that while most women in the country give birth without encountering any issue, over 50,000 per year are not as fortunate as they become severely injured. Around 700 women on a yearly basis suffer an even worse fate as they pass away during childbirth. The biggest reason cited was a lack of attention to new mothers

It is a very good article and one not about the dangers of abortion. we will just quote two of the reasons so you are aware of the issue and can take the proper steps too avoid them:

Among the reasons cited is hospitals and medical workers failing to follow proper safety practices

The investigation notes that over the span of decades, hospitals and experts in the medical field have pointed to women being unhealthy, overweight and other risk factors as reasons for the rising number of maternal deaths.

#3. Overreaction?https://www.christianpost.com/news/willow-creeks-global-leadership-summit-loses-111-sites-due-to-allegations-made-against-bill-hybels-226467/

The Willow Creek Association revealed Friday that their annual Global Leadership Summit set for Aug. 9–10 has suffered a loss of 111 host sites as a direct result of the sexual misconduct allegations that led to the resignation of Willow Creek Community Church founder Bill Hybels earlier this year.

We are not fans of Willow Creek or even Mr. Hybels but sometimes as we read about different churches and their responses to sinful issues in the Church we think that people are trying too hard to be spiritual and not being spiritual at all. Or they want to look good to a certain demographic in hopes of getting the latter’s butts in their pews or whatever reason they may have.

Very rarely do we come away from those articles with the thought that they are spiritual. Their terminology causes us to doubt their stated position. We do not like this leadership conference because WIllow Creek sins and leads other churches to sin, we also did not like their handling of the accusations against their founder. It was a matter that should have been handled privately, not in the media. The people outside the church do not have a right to know. Handling sin is not a public spectator sport.

#4. Judgmenthttps://www.christianpost.com/news/judge-upholds-oregon-school-districts-policy-allowing-boys-to-use-girls-bathrooms-226419/

A federal judge has upheld an Oregon school district’s policy allowing students to use the bathrooms and locker rooms of their preferred gender identity instead of their biological sex.

U.S. District Court Judge Marco Hernandez ruled Monday that Dallas School District No. 2 did not violate students’ privacy rights by allowing boys who identify as female to use girls’ facilities and vice versa.

The courts can and do get their judgments wrong and this is one of those cases. The different governments, courts, therapists are mishandling this issue and making things worse for everyone. Transgender thinking children need help, not encouragement. They are the ones breaking the rules and need to be corrected. It is not the ones obeying the rules of gender identity that are in the wrong or need correction.

As you go through that article you will see where the judge’s logic makes no sense. No one is stopping the transgender from using certain facilities. They are being stopped because they want to use the wrong ones. Right and wrong do not disappear simply because people think that rights trump everything.

#5. Justice?https://www.christianpost.com/news/so-baptist-missions-agency-opens-2-investigations-into-handling-of-sex-abuse-allegations-226430/

The president of the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention has announced that two investigations are underway regarding the board’s handling of past sexual abuse allegations within the organization.

As we read the article we had hope that the man would install biblical justice and make sure both sides received a fair handling of the cases put before the board. For those who do not know, justice is a two-way street and does not always side with the accuser. As you read the article, you will see he is addressing a 21-year-old case that has no supporting evidence. This is wrong in and of itself. Evidence, real evidence must be part of every trial, not just a supposed victim’s or offender’s word.

We were vastly disappointed as it seems that he is blindly siding with the accuser giving no hope to the accused. Justice is not about removing hurt and pain. It is about the truth and bringing real offenders to repentance. It is not about revenge, upholding an accuser’s honor and so on. God has given us too many examples of how justice should be carried out and you will notice that women and children do not get a free pass. Their supposed honor or innocence does not deter justice. Men are also not automatically guilty without real evidence either.

The church has erred greatly in this department and have granted the secular world far too much influence on these matters.

#6. Fairy Tale–  https://www.christianpost.com/news/maxine-waters-declares-la-megachurch-she-was-sent-by-god-fight-against-donald-trump-226414/

Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters of California declared in a speech on Sunday at First African Methodist Episcopal Church in Los Angeles that she feels “sent by God” to oppose President Donald Trump and all the harm she says his administration is doing.

That is what her declaration is. Not only was she not sent by God, her methods contradict her words. She does not do one biblical thing in her personal opposition to the President. Also, the only people being divisive are the Democrats, the liberals, the rebellious, and God does not teach rebellion. One may point to the book of Judges to try to counter our statement but a close examination would fail to support their use of that biblical book.

The Democrats and company are not seeking to free God’s people but looking to punish, persecute and imprison them. The Democrats and company are not looking to overthrow evil but have embraced it and wanting it to rule the land. The Democrats and company are not practicing what they preach and seek to silence voices of reason, right and wrong and justice.

Ms. Waters is not sent by God but using his name so she can be re-elected, given influence and more power. No matter what she says, she is not guided by God.

If a person wants to invoke God’s name and make statements that he is with them, they had better live the life God has instructed throughout his Bible. Ms. Waters, the Democrats and company are far from a holy life and do not know God.

 

Benjamin Corey & Sodom

Different people have different views about Sodom. We are not talking about the fight over the northern location or the southern location as to its geographical place on the earth, but the reasons why Sodom was destroyed in the first place. Dr. Corey is one of those people who thinks his view is the correct one

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/no-franklin-graham-god-didnt-destroy-sodom-gomorrah-because-of-homosexuality/

As we read through his article, the first wish we had was that it would have been nice if the writer placed actual evidence to support his views and declarations. Having studied Sodom, Gomorrah and the nature of the destruction because of our opposition to Dr. Steven Collins and his agenda, we know that there is almost nothing written in ancient records concerning Sodom’s sexual preferences, their wickedness and why they did what they did or wanted to do with the two angels that came to rescue Lot and his family.

Anyhoo, the angels went into the city to grab Lot and his family, but there was just one problem: their worst fears turned out to be true and the city was full of basically the worst people on the planet. They even formed a mob outside Lot’s house and wanted to haul these strangers out into the street and gang-rape them. Lot tried to talk them out of it, but they reminded him that he was just an immigrant and that they’d do even worse to him if he stood in their way.

Aside from the fact that angels have no fear, they cannot die or be injured, plus the fact that they already knew the state of the personalities in the city before they entered the only bit of truth in that quote is that Lot tried to dissuade the inhabitants of carrying out their nasty deeds.

Now, I *shouldn’t* have to explain that there’s a difference between being gay, and wanting to beat and gang-rape immigrants in your local town.

While there is a difference between gang rape and homosexual tendencies, we know of very few straight people who would use homosexual gang rape as an option. We have never come across a news story that has straight men raping other men. While we are not privy to everything, our exposure to news, especially of this type, is not rare.

The irony here is that in fact, this wicked action tells us the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were likely harshly disapproving of being gay– which is precisely why they weaponized it. You see, in these ancient cultures homosexuality was largely despised because the one on the receiving end of the transaction was seen to take on the role of a woman– and if there’s one thing they hated more than gays, it was women

This is where we would like to see some credible, legitimate, bone fide evidence to support those statements. Revisionist historians, like Michael Vine, have tried to change the views of the ancient world concerning homosexual acts and behavior but they cherry pick their evidence. Not one shred of proof exists to back up the at least three faulty statements we see in that quote.

First, women were not hated in the ancient world. In Minoa, women were treated as equals and enjoyed large amounts of personal freedom. Second, why would anyone weaponize a sexual preference they find disgusting and unnatural? It makes no sense, considering that there were other forms of torture that would do the same thing. Cutting off the penis would achieve the same goal. Third, homosexuality was probably despised because it was wrong, unnatural, dirty, and other negatives you want to attach to that sexual practice not because it made one person like a woman.

But we would like to see real proof to support those allegations. We haven’t found any yet.

Thus, for one man to rape another man wasn’t an act rooted in sexual desire, but an action rooted in humiliating and demoralizing that person. It would have been an action to strip them of their manhood.

We have not come across this thinking either and how does Dr. Cory know this was the motivation in the minds and hearts of the people of Sodom? It is possible that their demands was based on homosexual desire. We see no evidence to support his version of events in that city.

Had Lot seen them as being gay, he would never have offered to let them have sex with his virgin daughters instead

Really?? How does he know? Protecting someone against a mob can lead to some very desperate measures, including offering women to homosexuals.

hey weren’t interested in that option- not because of sexual orientation, not because they were seeking sexual pleasure, but because they wanted to send a strong message to these new immigrants who wandered into town.

And why would they send a message to the two angels who were not immigrants? It is more likely that they wanted to have new people to have sex with. They do not know anything about these men or if they are even going to stay in the cty? Dr. Corey has stepped out on another limb here. Again he needs proof not just wild statements.

This was rape. It was an anti-immigrant hate crime. None of it has anything to do with sexual orientation.

Please do not put modern terminology and ideology into ancient biblical events. In studying ancient history, we have never come across this form of treatment conducted by inhabitants to immigrants. We can say it has everything to do with sexual orientation and not a hate crime.

These weren’t people inviting the angels to come out and participate in a gay pride parade, but were instead trying to humiliate and demoralize them by forcing them to be on the receiving end of male/male sex, something that would have been extra detestable for these bronze age tribes.

For what purpose? There is no reason for the inhabitants of Sodom to humiliate or demoralize the angels. They had done nothing to the residents and violated no law. You do not demoralize or humiliate anyone for no reason.

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom: pride, fulness of bread, and prosperous ease was in her and in her daughters; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away when I saw it.” – Ezekiel 16:49-50

Now Dr. Corey turns to scripture to try to bolster his point. Just because the word homosexuality is not listed does not mean that the residents of Sodom were not homosexual. But if you look closely at that passage of scripture, you will see the word abomination. That is the word that God uses to describe homosexual sin in Leviticus.

If you look at modern homosexuals you will see haughtiness, pride, selfishness, intolerance in their actions as well. The presence of those sins does not mean that a homosexual is not homosexual and not being punished for their homosexual preferences. The verse leaves the door wide open for the practice of homosexuality in Sodom.

But none of that has anything to do with being gay.

Again we say– Really?? Prove it. We must ask why is Dr. Corey so bent on defending the homosexual and clearing them of any wrongdoing?

When the Bible describes a bunch of rich a%&@! who didn’t give a rip about the poor and needy, and who hated immigrants so much that they were content to rape and dehumanize them, it’s not describing the same thing as when that kid in your church youth group works up the courage to admit they’re gay.

He hasn’t produced one credible ancient manuscript to prove he is right.  And the fact that they may have been like that does not mean that they were not homosexual. Dr. Corey also compares apples and oranges as a young kid thinking he is gay is not the same thing as adults who have practiced homosexuality for years or decades. Thinking one is gay and practicing that behavior is still sin just as homosexuality in the ancient world was sin. Just because they may not have the attitude of the people of Sodom does not mean it isn’t sin.

It’s not the same thing. It’s not even close to the same thing.

It is the same thing for as we said earlier, we do not know one straight convict or straight man who would lower themselves to practice something they considered to be vile and so on. You really need homosexual tendencies to consider committing homosexual acts.

And to sucker millions of people into blindly believing otherwise is What Franklin Graham is Wrong About Today

He hasn’t made his case and he is a bit premature in his condemnation of Franklin Graham. From the evidence we have seen, the people in the Sodom story were homosexual and were looking to satisfy their homosexual lusts. The presence of other sins does not disqualify homosexual behavior from being part of the sins they were destroyed for.

But we must again, why is Dr. Corey so bent on trying to remove homosexuality from the sins of long dead people? It won’t change God’s view of homosexuality. It won’t change his decision on giving them over to their lusts and it won’t change homosexuality from being a sin to acceptable behavior.

People like Drs. Corey, McGrath & Enns do not have any support for their positions at all. It is their subjective word that they stand on, not God’s word. They have built on the sand and try to lead people from the truth. They have no alternative divinely inspired scriptures to point to saying the Bible is in error. They also have no ancient manuscripts supporting their positions. Most of their words come from their own personal preferences, lack of belief in God and their rejection of the truth.

We also need to point out that aside from Lot’s wife and daughters, no other women were mentioned to be living in Sodom. It is an assumption that they were but they may not have been. Dr. Corey would have to prove that they were before making his humiliation and degradation arguments. These Drs. also like to offer their own translations to the original languages. That way they can stay with their point even when they are shown to be wrong.

They do not have the Spirit of Truth helping them find the correct meaning of God’s word. Their translations are not correct.

 
 
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