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James McGrath & Inerrancy

James McGrath is another professor we have talked with through his website over the years, until we were banned. We do not see eye to eye on many things, including inerrancy. We are using his meme article as it is short and says the points we like to address. Unfortunately, we cannot copy memes, but will do our best to manually quote them

But first a look at his opening statements.

#1. As I emphasized in recent posts, the reason that I abandoned biblical inerrantism is that it is not merely unbiblical, but anti-biblical

What authority makes this claim? if you follow the link in the quoted words, you have to go to his article to do that, you will see that his conclusion is not based on any religious authority, it is not based on God’s words, but merely of his misunderstanding of the bible and the way it was written. His reason is as follows:

The contradictions, discrepancies, and difficulties are there within the Bible, because human beings have put these texts with their differences into the collection we call the Bible.

He cannot prove those claims and most contradictions are not contradictions. The same goes for discrepancies. Rational and logical research has borne that out.

#2. It silences all but at most one of the diverse voices within the Bible, and denies or explains away rather than accepts the evidence that the Bible itself provides for its own human fallibility

Actually, it silences false teachers, false prophets and those who reject the truth.  There is no evidence showing any hint of human fallibility. These are mere accusations to allow someone to pursue and believe their own personal subjective ideas about Christ, God and Christianity. By removing the label of inerrancy, people get to import their personal preferences into the faith and the Bible.

#3. Bible inerrancy has no real impact on making the Bible clearer or making those who read it correct, but rather the only effect of Biblical inerrancy is to make its adherents more dogmatic

Dr. McGrath is in error here as we see that his argument is not really against inerrancy but the truth. He does not like what the Bible says so he needs a way to change it. Instead of providing real evidence, from alternative divinely inspired material, he goes after the softer and easier target. Inerrancy does make the Bible clearer for we see that God created as he said he did and we learn in Genesis 2 that God provides different details about his creative act. If the Bible was not inerrant, then any opinion, theory and conjecture would be clouding the issue.

Confusion is not of God but that is what Dr. McGrath is promoting with these words and his stance on biblical inerrancy. He takes away the answers God gives us and opens the questions up to a multitude of ideas that would overwhelm anyone who didn’t know any better.

#3. Inerrancy is about the desire to have one’s own views regarded as inerrant

There is more to that quote but this is the main point. It is a wild accusation because Dr. McGrath cannot verify this and he cannot state that those people he claims to be presenting their own views are actually presenting their own views over the truth. The above statement also flies in the face of Jesus’ words– ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Inerrancy helps us see the truth and know it. Any other status for the Bible does not do that. Those alternatives merely hide the truth from its readers.

and the failure to humbly recognize one’s own human proneness to err… shows that this doctrine is not merely wrong but a direct frontal assault about the Bible’s teaching about God…

What makes that quoted statement wrong is the fact that Dr. McGrath thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. Changing to the truth actually does show that people recognize humbly that they made an err and now change to what God is saying in the biblical text. Inerrancy helps correct those erroneous views. His words also show that he and others like him are the ones doing the frontal assault on biblical teaching about God. They are changing the Bible and who God is, not those who declare it inerrant.

We are not going to quote more from that article because the issue of inerrancy has ramifications that Dr. McGrath does not like to think about. if the Bible is not inerrant and filled with human thinking, then we have no assurances of salvation or eternity. It is impossible for anti-inerrantists to pinpoint exactly which scripture passage is inerrant and of God and which one is from a human point of view.

Under their thinking, we cannot know God or Jesus and we can never find the truth even though Jesus said we could. In that article, that we quoted from, there were many links to other articles. We took the time to read through some of them and what we found was that Dr. McGrath and others he quotes, do not use one biblical argument to support their view.

It is all their personal opinion and the faulty use of passages that bring them to their conclusions. It is not God leading them to the truth because Dr.McGrath and others like him have never found any alternative divinely inspired scriptures to replace the passages they claim are in error and of human origin. We have made that point before but it is an important point.

Without those verified alternatives, and by verified we mean approved of by the ancient church, written by apostles, etc., they have no foundation for their arguments. Those alternatives have to meet the ancient criteria and not modern ones.

If their arguments are correct, then we must ask, where are the replacement scriptures to guide the church and believers today? Who gets to decide which  scriptures are out and which new ones are in? Obviously, we cannot appeal to the apostles because they have been gone for some time now. We should note that when the apostles caste lots for replacement disciples, they did not impose their personal views or preferences at all. They left the selection up to God. We do not know of one Bible scholar willing to do that today.

The argument against anti-inerrantists is not long. We just point to the passage that says God is not the author of confusion. Anti-inerrantists introduce confusion not bring the truth to light. Who are the anti-inerrantists that they think they know better about the Bible than God does? They do not have any smoking guns, they do not have any historical verification for their words and they do not have textual confirmation for their claims. If you get a chance to compare the ancient manuscripts, you will see that they all basically say the same thing.

Dr. Bart Ehrman and others may claim that there are over 400,000 errors found in the NT alone. According to Dr. Daniel Wallace that is more than the number of words in the NT .Also, according to Dr. Wallace over 99% of those errors do not change a doctrine, an instruction, a command and so on. In other words, anti-inerrantists have nothing to stand on except the fact that they cannot humbly accept God’s word and feel the need to change it according to their personal preferences.

The Bible is inerrant and that should scare a lot of people.


Robert Cargill & The Bible

Before we get started we need to say two things. First, Dr. Cargill was appointed Editor of Biblical Archaeology Review, one of our favorite archaeological magazines. There are so few of these so it is not hard to get to the favored list. The magazine was founded by Hershel Shanks. We do not agree with Dr. Cargill on many things both archaeologically and biblically but we are sure he deserves the appointment.

Second, he is free to disagree with the Iowa law that he writes about

An Explanation of Why I Oppose the Proposed Iowa “Bible Literacy” Bill

We are not sure if we even agree with it. All we know about it is what we read in his post.But what we are writing about are certain points he makes in his opposition. Dr. Cargill is an atheist who thinks he can teach the Bible. We have spoken to him on that point before and we disagree on that issue. Why atheists cannot teach the Bible is very simple. Jesus said the unbelieving world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth and we are to follow the Spirit of Truth to the truth. We are not to use interpretation to get to God’s word.

We will address just important points as his post is very long

#1. Were option 2 to be chosen, it would cease to be a “Bible” literacy course, and would become a “New Testament” literacy course, as the New Testament comprises only 30% of the Christian Bible. That is to say, the Hebrew Bible is the complete Bible for Jews, and the Old and New Testaments comprise the Bible for Christians. However, a “New Testament only” course is NO ONE’S BIBLE. No Christian denomination views the New Testament alone as its Bible. Marcion of Sinope attempted this very thing in the second century CE, and he, his Bible (with no Old Testament), and his entire movement were branded heretics and excommunicated!

Basically, he is right here. You can’t have the NT without the OT, it just won’t work. Marcion was declared a heretic and rebuted successfully.

#2. However, we don’t speak King James English anymore. So, this bill proposes that Iowa public high school teachers teach the Bible (which was originally written in Biblical Hebrew, Biblical Aramaic, and Hellenistic Greek) in English translation.

So students can’t learn? How are they going to understand Shakespeare if they do not know old English? Studying the KJV would help students in their other studies and broaden their minds. It is odd for a teacher to hinder learning.  But what we find interesting is that both Hebrew and Aramaic get the label Biblical, even though Aramaic was spoken by more than just Hebrews and Christians, and Greek gets the label Hellenistic. Doesn’t being included in the Bible make Hellenistic Greek, biblical Greek

These are minor points, of course, but they stick out.


We left his emphasis in but he is wrong. Yes, it may be the ‘fundamental rule in translation’ but it is not God’s rule and it is a rule which leads people away from the truth. There is such a thing as translation without interpretation. It is called going for the truth. The truth can be found no matter what language is used.

This is true for any language, and it is not limited to religion. It is simply not possible to translate without interpreting. It is certainly not possible to translate religious scriptures without making theological value judgments while making said translation.

Again he is wrong. A person dedicated to finding the truth can easily translate without interpretation. But you see why we disagree with Dr. Cargill when he says atheists can teach the Bible. They can’t because their eyes are deceived, their minds misled, and they do not follow God’s rules. This fundamental law is aiding and abetting those who do not want to hear the truth.

#4. Understanding the holy scripture of any religion requires extensive training, preferably in the original languages in which the religious texts were produced.

Not neccessarily. A believer can understand the Bible quite easily, if they are hearing Christ’s voice. They do not need years of formal training, they just need to learn how to distinguish the voice of the Spirit of Truth from all other voices. Then they must be willing to follow that voice, ignoring the rest. We do not need the original languages to understand the Bible. Not only is that impossible for the majority of the world to do that, it also makes God an elitist god who favors only a few.

It is an unrealistic view held by Dr. Cargill, one that makes us think that he wants the Bible restricted to bible scholars only. We know off other scholars who want control over the content of the Bible so in reality, it is their words, not God’s, that gets to the people.That is not the intent of the Bible or God. The Bible is written so those lacking education can still understand the key doctrines, instructions, and commands. You do not need years of training to understand, ‘In the beginning God…’ and many other passages of scriptures.

#5. When I teach the Bible at the University of Iowa, I give my students the English translation, and then show them the Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek that underlies the text. They don’t need to know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, I just want to show them that these verses come from a context–a context that is not in America, and not in Europe, but a context that is in the Middle East about 2000-3000 years ago

We do agree that the Bible was written in different areas throughout the old world (It wasn’t called the Middle East back then) but the context is not from a human culture. We also agree that the culture used was not American or European. Since the Bible was written by God, the culture used was God’s kingdom. There is no earthly cultural influence involved. Of course, not every civilization in the old world actually had the same culture. So Dr. Cargill has to tell us which culture was actually used if he thinks a human one influenced biblical writing.

We do not know exactly where each book of the Bible was written. Daniel was in Babylon, Esther was in Persia, Revelation in Patmos and we do not know where Peter wrote his epistles. So to say that any particular earthly culture had a hand in writing the Bible is a little ridiculous. Then not every ancient civilization practiced patriarchy.  From what we know of the Minoans, women enjoyed unlimited equality and freedom.

#6. For instance, Iowa high school teachers could show their students where slavery in America came from. When we established the United States, slavery was legal. Interestingly, the Bible supported, defended, and positively influenced the ownership of slaves in the United States

This is an issue that cannot be fully addressed here. Then others have debunked this notion far better than we can. But we can say that Dr. Cargill is wrong here. The Bible does not condone slavery and we are willing to say that many people take the American definition of slavery and apply it to the Bible.  They do not understand how God used the term and misapply the Bible to fill their sinful desires.

If you look at those verses Dr. Cargill quotes and compare those instructions to American slave owners, you will see that very few slave owners actually followed the Bible in their treatment of slaves. Since Dr. Cargill does not have the Spirit of Truth guiding him, it is fair to say that he misrepresents what the Bible says about slavery.

#7. An Iowa public high school teacher could then turn to the role of women. The issue of equal pay for equal work for men and women is hotly debated today, but before that it was women’s suffrage–a woman’s right to vote–that dominated the national debate. When this country was established, women did not have the right to vote. But why was that the case? Why weren’t women afforded equality with men?Once again, the Bible is an excellent place to turn to see why women always took a back seat to men.

Dr. Cargill again demonstrates his lack of understanding the Bible. He goes to verses that do not even address the questions he initially raised. The Bible does not teach that women cannot vote nor get equal pay for equal work. Instead, he goes to specific instructions that do not place women beneath men in any way shape or form.

Because a woman is unpure longer for a female child is not evidence that women are unequal to men. It does show that Dr.Cargill does not do his research on the issue. Since God knows medicine and medical issues better than humans do, he has his reasons why this is to take place but it wasn’t to place women as inferior or unequal to men. That idea is read into the passages of scripture Dr. Cargill uses. There is no mention by God that this makes women inferior or unequal to men.

Then to use the difference in shekels for the value of a man and a woman is equally ridiculous and shows why interpretation cannot be used when handling scripture. Everyone knows, and women do not like to admit it, that women are the weaker sex. They have different health issues, they are not as strong as a man, they do not normally do the same work of a man. It stands to reason that there would be some disparity in the price of shekels.

Making those values an equality or inferiority issue is interpretation gone wrong. But Dr. Cargill does not stop there and uses a common verse we all know to make his point that the Bible brings inequality to the world.

But it is not just in the Old Testament that the value of women is less than that of men. The New Testament preserves the subjugation of women in its literature. For instance, 1 Corinthians 11:3 says the following:

1 Cor. 11:3–But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and THE HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF HIS WIFE, and God is the head of Christ.

Dr.Cargill does not understand that someone has to be the leader and the head. God has made his choice and he disagrees with God. That puts Dr. Cargill on the losing side and exposes his lack of biblical knowledge, even after his years of formal training. The NT does not preserve subjugation of women, it is preserving God’s order of things. There has to be an order and since man was not made for the women but women for the man it stands to reason that women are not to be leading men.

#8. We the high school students have a discussion about whether it is ok for women to have authority over men, either as Governor of Iowa, Mayor of an Iowa city, CEO of an Iowa corporation, or the Speaker of the Iowa General Assembly. And imagine the awkwardness when all of the wonderful women teaching in our Iowa public high schools read 1 Tim. 2:12: “I permit no woman to teach.”

Dr. Cargill does what most atheists and unbelievers do, they shorten or change a verse to make their point. The verse does not say that women cannot teach but leave it to atheists to distort the issue. The verse actually reads

12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. (NASB)

Women can teach as long as they do not teach men or have authority over them. Then God gives his reasons why this is so:

13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (NASB)

Dr. Cargill conveniently leaves that reason out of his point.

#9. here are other bits of literature that we can read from the Bible that pertain to issues in the United States. For instance, Iowa high school teachers can show their students the proper way to commit genocide, as strictly prescribed by God himself in 1 Sam. 15:2-3:

Again, Dr. Cargill distorts and misrepresents what God said in that passage of scripture. Divine judgment is not the same as genocide. The former is for sins committed and left unrepented. The latter is done out of hatred for a variety of reasons and none of those reasons seek to punish unrepentant sin.

This text is often overlooked as an “American value”, because like slavery, it is a period in our nation’s history that we’d like to forget. But in the Midwest, and to our Native-American brothers and sisters, the biblical verses depicting God instructing his faithful exactly how to obliterate those peoples who fight against them and do not worship as they do as they attempt to conquer and settle the new land they believe to be given to them by God is as relevant today as it was two centuries ago.

Dr. Cargill continues to distort the biblilcal passage. The Bible may be used to justify a person’s sinful actions but the Bible does not tell people to commit sin. It does not give permission for people to commit sin. There was NO biblical command given by God to commit genocide against the American Indian. It was hatred, lust, greed and other deadly sins that motiviated that action.

Blaming the Bible for the decisions of sinful man is wrong. This is why you need the Spirit of Truth to guide you. Teaching others means you need to have the truth not interpretation. Interpretation is subjective and influenced by a multitude of mitigating factors. The truth exposes sin and faulty application of the Bible. There is a reason why God put a warning in James 3 for teachers. They need to consider that warning prior to committing themselves to being teachers. Dr. Cargill does not do that.

#10. Let me put it another way: BY SIMPLY READING BIBLE VERSES IN A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL CLASSROOM AS PART OF A “BIBLE LITERACY” COURSE, TEACHERS ARE ENGAGING IN THEOLOGY! This is because the verses they choose to read in class are chosen in an effort to paint the Bible in a particular light.

Here is his point. Because the law does not do what he wants, Dr Cargill opposes it. You cannot make laws to please everyone, someone is going to oppose every law made. This is a well-known attitude of Dr. Cargill as he is on the front lines to force academic freedom on Christian academic institutions. Dr. Cargill does not believe God nor the Bible so he becomes an unwitting tool of evil to help destroy the Church and God’s creation. He does this by distorting the Bible, teaching it erroneously and trying to stamp out the truth from being heard.

This is why atheists cannot teach the Bible regardless of how much training they have and how many ancient languages they learn. They cannot represent the Bible correctly and are supported by evil who deceives them, blinds them to the truth and uses their emotions etc., to get them to a faulty conclusion. Christians need to do their children a favor and prepare them first before they go off to study at secular and some Christian academic institutions.

Walking not in the counsel of the ungodly applies to non-Chrisian professors as well.


Our Comments on a Few Topics 3

#1. Ham & Rainbow-

“Such a reading distorts the message of Genesis. To straddle the story with alleged scientific statements is a modern error, not an ancient one,” he added.

The pastor then goes on to explain how the Bible shows that God did not set His rainbow in the clouds for the very first time in history in Genesis 9….

“Didn’t God specially create the never-before-seen rainbow as a sign of His promise? Not necessarily,” Mitchell wrote at the time.

“In Genesis 9:13, God said, ‘I do set my bow in the cloud,’ and the fact that God does not imply that He had never set a rainbow in the clouds before but only that, from now on, the rainbow — appearing as it so often does as rain is ending — would henceforth have a special significance as a token (reminder 1) of God’s promise to never again send a worldwide Flood.”

When science rears its head about topics from the past, it is best not to act authoritatively. Why? because no variation of science can verify or prove their point. We can agree that the passage in scripture talking about the fact that rain had not fallen yet, does not mean it did not rain until the flood. But we cannot agree that the rainbow appeared prior to the flood.

We cannot agree because no one knows. Anyone who did know died a long time ago. Then science cannot go  by modern atmospheric conditions. Why? because once God made a change and instituted the rainbow, atmospheric conditions changed. Once atmospheric conditions changed it is impossible to track previous conditions. Especially when all the weather records were destroyed.

Science is wrong about the supposed historic ice ages. The scientists falsely leaps to a conclusion about the origin of the glaciers and the ice sheets. as they cannot prove their assumptions or verify their supposed sources for those objects. The same goes for the rainbow. It is foolhardy to think that people saw a rainbow prior to the flood. No one can verify that observation.

As the quoted words state that God does not imply that he never created the rainbow prior to the flood, God also does not imply that he did. We tend to side with the idea that God created the rainbow as a specific sign of his promise after the flood. There is no reason for it to exist prior to that event.

#2. Kim & Korea

First, it’s amazing to see much of the liberal coverage of the summit. It’s as if there’s an unwritten principle that says, “Whatever Trump does, he’s wrong and he gets no credit.”

As of this writing, headlines on the Huffington Post and CNN read: “South Korea Blindsided By Trump War Games Agreement” and “Trump’s new world order. From ripping up agreements with allies to his talks with North Korea, here are ways Trump is unsettling his predecessors’ work.”

Even though we have lived in the country for 14 years, we do not presume to be experts on either Korea. Our job was to teach English and focus on our students. It was also a violation of our E2 visa to be involved in Korean politics. We have been asked, though, in this country about our views on what is happening on that peninsula.

Basically, what we say is that we cannot trust Kim Jong-Un. He is a leopard who has not had Jesus change his spots and any attempts by him to appear differently from what he has shown to be in the past may be a disguised effort to take over the South. This is a man who has had his own uncle and half-brother killed, possibly his aunt as well. We have read that she has not made a pubic appearance nor has been seen since her husband’s death. She was Kim’s grandfather’s sister.

This is also a man who has had top officials killed for merely falling asleep at his speech. We are theorizing that Kim is using another earlier example of how to take power to further his personal agenda. Hitler found out that force does not necessarily gain power. His beer hall putsch failed miserably. So Hitler turned to democratic means to gain ultimate power over Germany.

It is not an example lost on many dictators, as they control their supposed democratic votes very ruthlessly. It is an example that seems lost on many western countries as London allowed a Muslim to be elected Mayor of that city. And as they do not control who runs for office very well. The New York and California governors have shown their rebellious nature by usurping the law of the land many times.

All we can say about Kim and his supposed kind efforts is be careful. Even a decapitated snake’s head can still bite and almost kill. The best thing we can say to do is pray. God allows governments to reign even when we do not understand why. But we can pray and protect the people of South Korea and hope God will free the prisoners in the North’s gulags.

#3. Beeching and her complaint

Christian Lesbian rock star Vicky Beeching has said ahead of the publication of her memoir that she has been wanting to join the priesthood of the Church of England, despite once being sexually assaulted by a male priest…

Often, male leadership is seen as unquestionable in churches, so women can feel unable to speak up for fear of not being believed. I kept silent about my experience, which happened at the age of 18, for that very reason,” she added.

This is an excuse that we have grown tired of hearing. We know one thing, we do not believe these accusations when they are made decades later and in the wake of popular metoo, etc movements. It is easy to gang up on someone and kick them when they are down. It is easy to make excuses for why someone stayed silent for too many years. BUT it is a different matter to make the accusations when the evidence could be gathered and a real crime could be determined.

It is not easy to stand alone and ask for justice. The excuse doesn’t fly because the police and other law enforcements’ policies have not changed. All any women had to do when the alleged crime took place was present real and credible evidence and they would have to investigate. Saying one would not be believed is an excuse to remain quiet and let the supposed offender continue offending.

Even male church evidence would respond correctly if the woman provided real and credibile evidence an assault took place. Male leadership are bound by God’s instructions and one woman’s complaint is not enough to establish that a crime took place. Do not blame male leadership for failing women when they must obey God in matters of justice.

We saw the recent article where the Southern Baptist Semiary’s Interim president declared no tolerance towards abuse. We do not support him because he is not calling people to obey God. He is trying to appease a group of people who do not care about God’s justice or his instructions. We cannot support his statements or him.

We do not like the fact that women get abused BUT the abuse they suffer is not reason enough to disobey God.

#4. God said-

Pastor J.D. Greear, the Southern Baptist Convention’s newly elected president, says God placed six priorities on his heart that he’ll focus on over the next two years as leader of the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.

Many people in church leadership and in the exercise of their spiritual gifts say these exact same words or similar words. It is a good way to cut down on resistance and opposition to one’s plans. We are not saying that God did not say those things to him but in our reading of Deut and other passages of scripture, we wonder why God did not place correct education on his heart?

We are not talking about the secular public school education but the sloppy spiritual education that takes place in most churches. Some of it is disguised as Sunday School classes, others are found in youth ministries, adult ministries and so on. If you read Deut. 4, 1 Cor 12 and James 3 you find that God puts a very high emphasise and importance on educating his people correctly, about his laws and commandments and so on

Do you realize that God puts a specific warning on the office of teachers to make sure his people who fills those roles understand what is being asked of them? This is just part of what God taught us when we asked him to help us be good teachers.He showed us how important teaching was to him and that even as English teachers we needed to tell the truth, teach well, know what we are talkng about and we had to learn many lessons to get to that point where we were actually a good teacher.

We have no problem with his first point,

we come together united by a common Gospel confession and also by a common Gospel mission, “Greear explained.

there is only one gospel, one truth and we should be united under those two points. We do have a problem with his second point,

he elevation of cultural diversity in leadership.

This may lead to electing many people whom God may not want as leaders of his church. Not that we are against people of color assuming leadership positions. But the fact that the color of their skin should play no role in their election. It should only be their spiritual qualities and God’s selection that elevates them to leading the church.

The discipes did not use personal to cultural criteria to fill their ranks. They left such appontments to God alone. We are not better than the disciples.

#5. We like the article

As a Christian man, I want to expose the world’s notion of manhood for the lie it is. I also want to encourage brothers in Christ everywhere to live out authentic manhood in the end times.2 Timothy 3:1-5

But as usual we do not feel the author goes far enough or into the detail we would like to see in these types of articles. We like the passages of scripture he  quoted but again, he should have extended the quote in 2 Timothy to verse 9

For among them are those who [c]enter into households and captivate [d]weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the [e]knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as [f]Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

These verses are as important as the first 5. They send a sobering message to men and demonstrates to them what happens when they do not act according to God’s teaching.

Then we want to point out a very unique passage in Proverbs 31. This is usually known as a chapter for women but men there is a message for you as well:

23 Her husband is known in the gates,
When he sits among the elders of the land.

Don’t expect your wives to do the other portions of this chapter if your life is not as excellent as the ones married to such a woman. being known in the gates and being able to sit with the elders in those times does not mean you are as corrupt or corrupting as many men are today. You had character, honesty, integrity, you led your family well, taught your children right and so on.

These are the times when we need those men who are described in that chapter. We have enough evildoers in the world today. We certainly do not need to add to their number. It is not unmanly to get help for sinful problems that hinder you from achieving to be the type of  man God wants you to be. It is manly to say you do need real help. It is not a fad or participation sport. Don’t do this just because another man does it. Do it honestly because you really want to be a real spiritual man.

Do it because you truly love Jesus and want to  change.


An Issue That Won’t Go Away 5

There are a series of articles relating to this topic and we wil provide a few comments to as many as we can


The MeToo movement is a “wake-up call” for Southern Baptist pastors, said James Merritt, lead pastor of Cross Pointe Church in Duluth, Georgia, ahead of the denomination’s annual meeting on Tuesday.

“The safest place an abused woman should feel she can go is her church. And the safest person she should feel like she should be able to go to is her pastor,” said Merritt during a panel discussion hosted by the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, titled “Conversation on Gospel Sexuality in a #MeToo Culture.”

This is ony partially true. The pastor also has to be the safest place  for the abuser to go to as well. The pastor and the church cannot take human sides. If they do, then the story, emotion, and the facts are influenced and sway the church to act outside of the biblical call to do justice. The church must stand with God and take his side.

When the church starts playing favorites or lets its sympathy or hatred get in the way, then God’s ways are lost and humans suffer because of it. God does not get the glory for solving the issue. Justice does not favor one side over the other. Women are not always sinless when they are subject to abuse.


Notable women in Christian leadership positions, such as Beth Moore and Kay Warren, have joined the chorus of thousands of people revealing their stories of sexual assault and harassment under the #MeToo hashtag.

The online movement has been flooded with accounts of abusive pastors and church members.

But are they actual acts of abuse or sexual mistreatment accordng to God’s definition or theirs? Secular culture is not the determining force in what is or isn’t abuse. The church also acts under God’s rules not the secular world’s (for the most part). But what they are all talking about is sin. Sin comes in a variety of forms and from both sides of any issue.

Lying about being abused is as much a sin as actual abuse is. We know how to handle sin and we know what needs to be done. When we start being line item specific sometimes we forget that sin is sin and there is only one answer to solving it. Abuse and other sins all come from our human frailty, the sin nature. If we take bibliclal teaching seriously, we can reduce the amount of sin conducted in the church, including abuse.

BUT it must really be sin and not someone’s idea it is sin. The accusation has to be honest, have more than one witness, have real evidence and not someone’s word only and so on.

#WeToo have a voice. For all the times we were bullied into silence, we get to speak up and call wrong WRONG. #WeToo for fewer future,” she wrote.

#metoo, #churchtoo and now #wetoo are not biblical strategies to solve any sin problem. Sadly, they incur more sin by their acts of injustice, lack of mercy, discrimination against men and bully people in order to ruin the lives of supposed offenders. Ms.Moore is not doing any one any good by advocating sinful methods to solve this issue.


Southern Baptist Convention President Steve Gaines implored those gathered for the annual meeting of the United States’ largest Protestant denomination to “believe in a supernatural God.”

That is the question that many involved in this issue need to ask themselves. From Beth Moore and Kay Warren on down to the lowliest woman involved. If you do, then you need to humble yourselves and correctly follow his instructions. You cannot follow secular culture or the ungodly and their definitions of what abuse are. You say you believe in and follow Jesus, then you must do it even in this abuse issue. The bible tells us in Proverbs 3 not to follow our own thinking but to trust God and that verse applies to this issue.

We do not penalize men for doing  nothing wrong nor do we punish innocent men and treat them in ungodly ways just to look like we are doing osmething or to gain favor with a specific group of people. Those groups of people do not offer salvation or eternal life to anyone, they are not the ones to be obey or pleased.


Notable evangelical Bible teacher Beth Moore has stated that when a woman goes through the process of reporting abuse within a church, she should have a “female advocate” with her during the whole process.

The founder of Living Proof Ministries was part of a Monday panel on issues with the church and sexual misconduct, which was hosted by the SBC this Week podcast by Amy Whitfield and Jonathan Howe.

Moore said that “in every case of abuse or assault there has been the misuse of power,” and warned that the victim is “already intimidated by feeling overpowered” and warned that “if there are not many female voices,” that “exaggerates the feeling that she’s got that she’s not going to be heard.”

She must be god to know what happens in every case of reported abuse in the church. We are being a little bit mean here because Ms. Moore thinks a woman is qualified to be an advocate just by being female. She seems to ignore that the Church belongs to God and he has the say as to what takes place inside the church. Her words are also a backhanded insult to the integrity, honesty and character of Christian men.

Having spiritualy qualified women’s voices is important but Ms. Moore seems to leave that part out. We have concluded that she wants to make her personal mark on the church instead of being an instrument of God tso he can implant his ways on his people.

When a church staff, whoever it may be, begins to work with the victim, also there must at all times be a female advocate in every single one of those meetings. Without exception. Whether that seems fair or not,” stated Moore.

The bold words prove our point. Fairness is part of what God is all about. So is justice, mercy, compassion and more. The soul of the offender is as important to God as the soul of the offended. When God said he desired that all men be saved, he did not leave out abusers. We have to be fair, just, honest and so on without those aspects the truth remains hidden.wWithout the truth, we cannot take the right measures to prevent and discipline the sinner. It isn’t about protecting women only, it is about obeying God when these issues arise. We have no permission to disobey God simply because a woman brings an accusation against another person.

There is more to that article but we will leave it for another day. Suffice it to say that we follow God  first, not women and not law enforcement.


Thomas Hatley, a former chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention’s International Mission Board, has called for the resignation of Kevin Ueckert, chairman of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s board of trustees, as well as the executive board members for firing the seminary’s former president Paige Patterson.

Hatley, who served as IMB chairman for eight years and has been a pastor in the SBC for more than 40 years, also called for the reinstatement of Patterson as president of the Texas seminary and an independent investigation of the claims that led to his firing.

“I recommend that the SWBTS board chairman and executive committee resign as board members for the following reasons,” Hatley wrote in an open letter to Southern Baptists after noting that conflicts should be handled biblically with both love and grace.

We agree. These movements are not just, they are more for appeasement and to let sin dictate the actions of the church. Most of the time, if not all, these movements, including church variations, do not have God in them or directing them. They are more about revenge, hurting the supposed offender and a power grab.

In this case, the women trying to grab the power are acting more sinful than the men they accuse. This alone undermines their credibility, their honesty and their claims. We are not going to say more, compare the actions of those opposing Dr. Patterson, abusers, pastors, denominations and church leaders with biblical instruction and you will see it for yourselves.

You cannot conquer sin by being sinful.

{PS we know there are mistakes in the above article but our time ran out and we need to go}


Who is In Charge of Right & Wrong?

This is the question every Christian must ask themselves and then properly answer. We are not going to spend a lot of time on this post because we have a busy schedule this morning. BUT this is a very important question in light of an event that took place several days ago.

The CEO of Twitter says he was wrong to enjoy a Chick-fil-A meal, telling commenters on social media that he had forgotten about “their background,” referring to the Christian beliefs of the company’s owners.

This quote is what God used to bring that question to mind and to ask our readers along with the people they share our material with. For some people it seems that the masses who flock to Twitter are the ones in charge of what determines right and wrong behavior. It seems that those faceless people are the ones who  make the determination as to what the standard of right and wrong looks like and its content. {You can substitute the standards good and evil & morality and immorality for right and wrong as well}.

Many people and churches do use social media as their moral conscience, especially when they are more famous than other members of society. The problem is that the world, in general, are more like the city of Nineveh in the days of Jonah. They do not know their right hands from their left. They do what the book of Judges says and act accordingly to what is right in their own eyes. They use no other standard to guide theiir thoughts or actions.

This is the problem for the church. The church must decide who is in control of the standard of right and wrong. If they choose the option of LGBTQ community, then they are opening themselves up to a very deceived group of people who are both selfish and spoiled:

Erica Baker, senior engineering manager at Patreon, was perturbed at Dorsey, telling him to either delete his Chick-fil-A tweet “or follow up with how much free advertising you’re going to give to [gay rights group] GLAAD.”

If the church declares the government, then they are opening themselves up to very corrupt people who let money, power and control influence their decisions. Then if the church says it is, they are again opting for a very subjective standard that would be flexible and fluid. That standard would depend on the ideology of the church and which church had the most power.

But if the church declares that God is in charge of the standard of right and wrong, then they need to stop what they are doing and act accordingly.

By now you may have guessed what our position is. God is in charge of the standard of right and wrong and people who claim to follow him need to straighten out their act and get right with what God wants his followers to do.

A church cannot save the world and make an impact for the God they claim to love if they do not first accept his leadership, second follow his leadership, third, proclaim his ways to the unsaved people and fourth, do not alter his standards of right and wrong, etc.  How can a church save people to their God when they do not follow him and his ways themselves?

The secular world cannot be in charge of the standard of right and wrong because they have no ultimate, objective standard to use. Right and wrong is solely determined by their own subjective opinion and it varies among tribes, cultures, regions and nationalities. Only God can bring the right standard to the lives of people. He is the ony one who is holy, perfect and good. Every other source is tainted with evil and original sin, including those churches who stop following biblical instructions.

The church cannot be in charge of the standard for as we have seen over the centuries, too many individuals like to place their human mark on the church.  We could say more but we want our readers to think for themselves on the topic of this question. They need to decide their own answer as they are responsible for their own decisions. Just remember, the  standard of right and wrong applies to every aspect of life.


An Issue That Won’t Go Away 4

To be truthful, with sin guaranteed to be part of this world till it ends, this issue will not go away. Soon we will have to move on to different topics but that change does not mean that the problem is solved or that the words in this series do not matter anymore. They will apply as long as they are biblically correct. Sadly, there are more aspects that need to talked about that so far haven’t really been discussed.

We do not think that we carefully and properly addressed the value of a woman yesterday so we will include a section on that point.

#1. Porn

A lot of men, both inside and outside of the ministry, struggle with this issue. Part of their problem may stem from the way that they were raised. Another part of the problem is lust. The desire to see a woman naked can be overpowering. In all cases, men need to get this under control and keep porn away from their lives. The  majority of women do not match up with porn stars or nude models physical features and it places a lot of stress on those women who look less endowed and healthy.

Men, porn is not where you go to get your training on how to be with a woman. Its source is from evil and that evil has no intention of teaching men God’s way on how to be with or treat a woman. If you want to romance a woman you can turn to the Song of Solomon BUT within reason of course. You obviously do not talk like that on the first date.

Dinner and a movie is a good way to go as well. BUT sex is not the evening ending event. Sex is to be done when two heterosexual people get married to each other. We understand that the excitement of romance can lead to exploration but that exploring should be kept under control and not lead each other to sinful acts. Touching the body is not wrong just when and where are the issues. Of course, both men and women need permission to touch the opposite gender before they do touch.

That permission is not generally given when a woman says ‘no’. The idea that a woman means yes when she says no is a secular one not a biblical one. And women the Bible teaches to make your yes answer a yes answer and a no answer a no answer. Say what you mean and mean what you say.

#2. Peoples’ Opinions

The #MeToo movement is bringing about a radical reconsideration of the sexual revolution and its implications, according to leading female Christian scholars.

And no it is not. The #metoo movement seems to be more about revenge than anything else. The women who are being hailed as heros are not really heros. They waited up to 20 to 30 years before saying a word. This is long after they became famous, long after they cashed those men’s checks to get their salaries and long after the evidence is gone.

In those intervening years they left many other not so famous and poor women vulnerable to the same men.  Why we disagree with that quote is because the #metoo movement is NOT pointing anyone to a biblical definition of romance, marriage and heterosexual unions. There is not one thing of God in that movement and sadly the #churchtoo people have followed the same script.

The evidence is lacking, women’s words are blindly accepted without a shred of proof, no two witnesses are talking about the same event, other men are trying to protect a woman’s honor, and so on. Yet what honor do those women have when they wait decades before speaking up and cannot present credible evidence to prove their claims? We read yesterday that Time magazine made those female whistleblowers people of the year. Why? They did not do anything for decades.

We wrote yesterday about one man’s opinion and how faulty that opinion was. Be careful when people offer their opinions. Often it is their distorted, subjective personal perspectives influenced by their own personal views on different issues that make up the content. Rarely is God and his ways behind their speaking. Oh, they will use scripture but as seen yesterday, they pick the wrong verses and apply them badly.

These type of people do more damage to the church than the real offenders do. The seem to ignore so much of what both God and Jesus has taught us and seek to put their personal stamp on the church.

The sexual revolution over promised a landscape that would allow women to experience ‘no strings attached,’ sex without physical or emotional risk,” Hollman said. “It is possible that women now feel more pressure to appear free, emotionally unaffected and to consent even when not entirely comfortable.”

As a side note, the sexual revolution and the free sex promoted by the hippies in the 60s and 70s was more for allowing men to have sex without strings, not the women. it was not about freeing the woman.

#3. The church needs to be prepared

“We live in a moral wasteland where human beings are desperately seeking answers to hard questions about life and sexuality, “Pearcey, who The Economist describes as “America’s pre-eminent evangelical Protestant female intellectual,” stresses in the book’s Introduction.

We are only addressing the one part we liked in that article. This is an important point. The Bible tells us to study. God has his reasons for this instruction. He knew that unbelievers, young children and teens would be asking the adults of the world and the church difficult questions. How we handle those questions determine a lot of future behaviors and decisions.

What and how we study is very important. We cannot give God’s answers to those questions if we do not study to find and accept God’s answers. But studying is tricky because we need insight. That is why it is important to ask the Holy Spirit to lead you to the truth. Because we need to learn what the secular world is saying and then we need to learn how to refute and counteract those ideas biblically.

In giving the correct answers to tough questions we are being a light unto a dark world. The secular world does not have the spirit of truth helping them so their answers are not to be accepted. How does this apply to the abuse issue that has made the front pages of different newspapers for weeks now? One, correct study tells us that the answer to the issue and to receive justice is not dependent on personal opinions and expected results. What people want to see done may not be God’s answer to the problem.

Two, correct study helps us to apply all the bible verses to an issue correctly. One passage of scripture does not over-rule another but they work together to bring justice, mercy, fairness for all not just one group of people or one set of victims. Justice is to bring the offender to true repentance. It is not to appease those who feel they have been wronged.

Three, The church has to please God first and obey his instructions over the demands and desires of the victims, their family and friends and society in general. Changing cultural ideology, fads, popular trends and so on are not to influence justice nor to be pleased. They are not gods who oversee this world.

The people of the church need to study correctly to get the truth and be able to bring the right answers to everyone who asks.

# 4. Repentance

Amid the ongoing fallout from the firing of Paige Patterson, one of the most prominent leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention, many are calling for “repentance” and “reformation” ahead of their denomination’s annual meeting.

Our question is, what does the person calling for repentance want to see as a result? Does he want men to repent according to his views or does he truly want God’s result? If it is the latter, then he should expect the women accusers to repent of their sinful actions against innocent men, male supporters to repent of their unbiblical words and actions in support of those women as well as any sinful man who truly sinned against God and a woman. Also, expect many women to repent for their sins against God and men.

You cannot have true repentance if you want the former version. Women are disobeying God in high numbers, it is not just men who are wrong. Those people permeate both sides of the abuse issue. You cannot call one section only to repent unless they are the only ones sinning in the issue at hand.

God’s wrath is upon us. Our God is a consuming fire. Excuses will work like tiny strands of straw standing against a raging wildfire. There should be no sermon at this year’s annual convention. Leave the pulpit vacant. Let the room be silent and call the messengers to prostrate themselves in repentance,” Rainer said.

Trying to impose one’s personal views on the majority is not seeking Gd’s repentance but trying to do it in a human way in human strength to get a personal result.

Rainer, who is also president of Rainer Research and the co-founder and co-owner of Rainer Publishing, believes God is presently “purging” the denomination, which is currently a “dumpster fire, and we keep fueling it with shovels of manure.”

If God was purging the denomination, then a lot of women would be falling by the roadside. His purge is not support for one particular group’s hatred towards individual men. God does not leave sinful people to dominate his church. Those groups need to repent of the sins that have driven them to attack men and bring unjust actions toward them.

We should be appalled. Horrified. Sick. No more ‘break her down,'” he said.

No, we should have the attitude that both God and Jesus want in the hearts and minds of their followers.

#5. The value of a woman-

The dictionary defines value in several ways but the first definition is probably the one that bests describes what the author spoke about , which we addressed yesterday. Here is that definition

the regard that something is held to deserve; the importance, worth, or usefulness of something:(

The Bible describes the value of a women in a different way. The Bible says:

An excellent wife, who can find?
For her worth is far above jewels.
11 The heart of her husband trusts in her,
And he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil
All the days of her life.

But we need to point out that value is not automatically or blindly given to a woman. The woman has to do something to achieve that value. Too often, in the modern world, men automatically and blindly place value and honor on a woman without requiring them to be worthy of such status. Some of those activities that gain value for a woman are found  in those few verses.

  • the woman has to be trustworthy
  • the woman does not drain him of money
  • the woman does good to him
  • the woman  does not do evil to him

The last two are not for a year, like Rachel Held Evan’s experiment, it is not an experiment, same example, and it is not conditional, depending on how a man treats her. The value of a woman is not found in that badly quoted verse from Galatians and it is not emphasized or made greater because a man said ‘no exceptions’ or ‘period’, etc.

Women if you want value, then you need to be valuable. and earn your value. We cited the examples of Jezebel and Sapphira yesterday, we can see that they had no real value even though the author of the article we addressed included them. They did not follow scripture, they did not do as the end of Proverbs 31 says, which reads:

But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.

They did not fear the Lord but led their men to or supported them in sin. That is not showing value but how sinful they can be. To fear the Lord is to obey God as well. How many of those accusers in both the #metoo and #churchtoo are truly obeying God? Obedience is not limited to only the verses women like but also to the ones they do not like.

A value of a woman is not shown when they bring accusations without following the rules of evidence or biblical instruction. Such actions show that the women have little value for they disregard the proper way of doing thing and seek to sin in their attempts to get ‘justice’.  The value of a woman is not seen in how the nag and demand their men to obey their wishes over God’s instructions. Christ’s love for the church did not include his ignoring and disobeying his father. Husbands are not allowed to disobey God in their love for their wives.

This is what made yesterday’s article in question so wrong. That author sought to have men disobey God in support of women and their rights. But as shown, there are no rights in God’s kingdom, only God’s standards that include right and wrong. Yes men need to be grateful to God that he made women for them. BUT that gratefulness does not mean they ignore biblical teaching in order to please their women OR blindly place value on women so that the woman get to sin against God.

We suspect that the author we addressed yesterday did not till the whole story in his haste to have his opinion known. We are sure that his wife’s father, his daughter-in-laws’ fathers and the fathers of his granddaughters played a role in how well they turned out. The he did not say by what standard he measures those women in his life and if it was truly biblical or not. We would like to give him the benefit of the doubt but we can’t because his example is missing too much information.

Women do have value but that value does not mean that innocent men get to be ruined


An Issue That Won’t Go Away 3

Everyone is voicing their opinion in the Dr. Patterson issue. The latest is the following article

The person who defended Dr. Patterson is standing by her words, you can read about it at the following link

But it is the first article that has us the most upset. The reason we are upset is because the article is not advocating biblical teaching. It also does not bring any real evidence supporting the accusation against Dr. Patterson. It repeats a story that the second article has refuted with evidence.

This “new information” reportedly included testimony from a woman who says she was raped in 2003 when she was pursuing a degree from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in North Carolina. Patterson was president of Southeastern at the time.

She reported the attack the next morning to the administrator who handled student discipline, who in turn reported the incident to Patterson. He met with her but did not report the attack to the police. She claims that he encouraged her not to, as well.

People may have opinions about what is happening but truthfully, opinions do not usually use facts or know all the facts in the case. We tend to believe the author of the second article because she is providing evidence to back up her statements.. The author of the first article seems to only use the woman’s word. Plus, that author seems to be very biased in his assessment of the issue.

I am the husband of an amazingly gifted wife, the father-in-law of two incredible women, and the grandfather of a perfect (I may be biased) granddaughter. Each of them is indescribably precious to me, and even more to their Father in heaven.

His point is in the following quote:

Nonetheless, as the issues that led to this Daily Article demonstrate, we need to declare and defend the rights and value of women as strongly as possible.

We are sorry women, but this is not biblical and it is not right. First, off women do not have any more rights than men. In fact, you will see that God does not post any rights in the Bible. he talks about right and wrong, obedience and disobedience but not rights. Second, women are not always the innocent victims in abuse cases. We cannot go into an abuse situation blindly thinking that the woman is innocent and a victim only. Women lie, they commit fraud, and they create a scenario knowing it will get their man in trouble.

These are documented facts and agencies like Project Innocent and similar Christian organizations have spent years getting innocent men out of jail after being sentenced on the word and lies of a woman. Third, the supposed value of a woman does not grant them permission to ignore biblical teaching. We must also point out that different nations have a differing number of rights for their citizens. Which list are we going to use when defending a woman’s rights? Rights are human made, subjective and have no basis in biblical teaching.

In discerning abuse cases, the church has to look for the truth. You will notice in Genesis when both Adam and Eve sinned, God did not take the side of Eve Blindly and let her off scot-free. Her sins were acknowledged and punished as well. Biblical instruction to protect the innocent does not mean we turn a blind eye on the actions of one gender and only punish another gender’s actions. Nor does the label of abuse mean that no other sinful action took place prior to or during the abuse.

Abuse is not the only sin we are to see. To get to the truth we have to know exactly what everyone did and act accordingly.

It should go without saying that they should never have to face abuse. It should go without saying that if they do, they should receive every last measure of support and protection from their family, their church, and society.

If this was a perfect world, then maybe he would be correct. But it isn’t and he is not. Because of that reality, we must follow God’s instructions correctly and not play favorites. Which is one thing that is being advocated in those words. Another thing that is advocated is that biblical justice must be ignored because women must be defended regardless and the truth must be hid.

The church cannot play favorites and it cannot be unfair, which is what happened to Dr. Patterson and other men who face abuse accusations. Biblical teaching must be upheld, no matter how it plays out in abuse cases. Men deserve justice like women do. They also deserve fairness, honesty and support.

But we must not disagree regarding the value of women. Scripture boldly proclaims: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male or female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). Every woman is just as cherished by God as every man.

Every woman? What about Jezebel? Sapphira? and other women who commit sin and lead their husbands to sin? We are sorry but his words are wrong and he misuses the Bible for his own bias opinion. Does he remember that Jesus called a Gentile woman a dog? Then come the following words:

Any seminary, church, organization, or family that demeans, objectifies, or oppresses women is unbiblical and sinful. Any man who sees any woman as less than his equal is wrong. There are no exceptions.

We do not like it when someone says “no exceptions”, or “period” after they state their opinion. What makes their opinion greater than anyone else’s? One bible verse does not state the value of women. Most women do not follow Proverbs 31 which states what a good woman is. Why would that verse trump that chapter? That author has not really shown biblically the value of women that he is talking about because Romans 3 & 6 23 do not exclude women from punishment of their sins or the fact that they have fallen short of God’s glory.

The value of a woman seems to be lacking here and should not be used in any argument that seeks to justify wrongful actions against any man. Of course, his opening line is full of subjective terminology which makes his opinion useless. Notice the word ‘oppresses’. Does he mean that women get to be ministers even though God placed a divine ban on that position excluding women? How is his opinion greater than God’s instruction?

Terms like ‘oppressed’, ‘abuse’, etc.,  have their definitions distorted by those who disagree with biblical teaching. Usually they are applied to issues that are not oppression,  abuse and so on. What is unbiblical and sin is that author using his opinion to trump biblical teaching. He is distorting what took place, provides zero evidence to support his point of view and merely wants everyone to follow his thinking. That is very wrong and sinful. He is saying not to follow God because he knows better. That is sin.

But no denomination, church, or leader is above biblical accountability.

First, he is not providing any biblical accountability to anyone. He is demanding that his opinion be followed. His opinion is not biblical nor following biblical teaching. Second, if he wants biblical accountability then he must apply it to the School’s board as well. Their actions and statements must be examined to see if they are in line with God’s word. It is not just Dr.  Patterson who is to be held accountable. His accusers must also be included in this accountability. It seems she may not be telling the truth as evidence has shown the meeting between her and Dr.Patterson did not take place.

The Bible talks about not using 1 witness. There has to be more than one and there is not more than one in that particular part of this issue. Yet action was taken. The board did not act biblically but reacted to only look good. This is the problem with using opinion over biblical teaching. Justice is not served and innocent men get ruined. Biblical instruction on protecting innocent people does not exclude men.

I affirm the SWBTS trustees for their decisive action and hope it sends a clear and powerful signal that all women are to be respected, affirmed, and celebrated.

Of course he would as we noted his bias earlier. BUT When justice does not seem to bring the solution the majority or even the minority wanted, it does not mean that justice was not done, that women were disrespected, not affirmed or ignored. God’s justice does not always go with people’s opinions. That is why God is often called a homicidal maniac, a God who has a blood lust and a murderer of children.

There is no pre-determined conclusion or decision when God’s justice is used. AND a woman’s value does not determine what justice is.

It is not that we or even God wants to see women abused but justice has to be done God’s way or the church has nothing to offer the secular world. God has outlined what he wants his followers to do, it is up to us to obey those instructions even in the case of abuse. We can’t be the light to the unchurched world when our justice is worse than the unbelieving, deceived world.

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