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Our Comments on a Few Topics 11

Let’s start with one of the big ones first:

#1 Who Created Godhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/who-created-god-christian-astrophysicist-hugh-ross-answers-228531/

Time is that dimension in which cause and effect phenomena occur. And we have these theorems that tell us that we have the universe come into existence before time exists ,” noted Ross.

“Which implies for the creator of the universe, that creator must have access to at least the equivalent of two independent dimensions of time.”

By noting that God can exist on a different timeline, Ross explained that this means “that God would have no beginning, no ending, and would be uncreated.”

This is a very convoluted answer that brings up more questions and does not answer the important one. In this world, everything has a creator. Nature was created by God. Airplanes by man and so on. BUT outside of this world, this universe, there can be a being that has no creator. There can be eternal existence. This is a fact that is hard to comprehend by our finite minds.

Yet we do not have to fully comprehend something to understand the truth. There can be someone or something without a beginning or end. In other words, the answer to the question is: no one. God is eternal and had no creator. Existence is not limited to this world.

#2. If you do not feel qualifiedhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/most-pastors-dont-feel-qualified-to-address-touchy-sexual-issues-abuse-in-church-survey-228543/

New research reveals that while pastors routinely face questions about sexuality issues, particularly areas of pain and brokenness, few feel qualified to speak to them.

Pastors need to realize who they are and who called them to be pastors. They are men God deems worthy even if they do not have all the knowledge in the world to handle life’s problems. God has given them instructions in the very Bible that they preach from. When God says get knowledge, he is not excluding pastors from that instruction.

That means his shepherds should be getting qualified to speak on these issues. Spiritual work is not limited to preaching sermons and teaching Sunday school class. The people need to know how to proceed in these issues, Pastors should be learning the truth and God’s way to handle these problems, then teaching their congregations that same information.

These issues cannot be left to the secular world. Pastors need to let God direct them, give them the strength and knowledge to correctly handle these issues

#3. We will disagreehttps://www.christianpost.com/news/dave-ramsey-says-pastors-must-stop-telling-broke-people-to-tithe-must-first-address-debt-budget-228553/

Dave Ramsey has urged pastors to refrain from preaching sermons about tithing “to broke people” — unless they first address debt and budgeting from the pulpit.

Tithing is a command of God no matter the financial position of the people. Tithing is not God trying to oppress poor people or keep them poor. Tithing is the people showing obedience to God, and their love for him. It is the parents’ job to teach budgeting and debt issues. Pastors cannot do everything and it is time for people to stop dumping everything in the laps of the Pastor and making them responsible for their duties.

If people are concerned about debt, tithing and budgeting, nothing is stopping them from getting God’s truth on the topic and teaching it properly. I am sure the Pastor would enjoy having the help.

#4. He misses the mark on humanityhttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/does-youth-ministry-need-a-redesign-for-generation-z.html

As I travel the nation and talk to youth leaders I hear the same things when it comes to this generation of teenagers (nicknamed “Gen Z”) and youth ministry in general:

First, we do not like these labels placed on humanity. For 2,000 years labels were not needed to identify anyone, yet since the end of WW2, labels seem to have been needed to identify humans. We do not mind the Baby Boom label because it was something that was borne out of a natural phenomenon. The other labels bother us because there is no real reason for their existence.

What the labels do is distort the view of people and hide the fact that the same sins are being practiced that have been since God created everything. The only problem now is that those sins seem to be getting far too much acceptance. Teens are humans and like every generation before them, they have their favorite activities and go to sites. This does not mean we revolutionize how we deal with their sins and their issues.

While we can use different media outlets, etc., that does not take away from the fact that teens are human and need a personal touch. Christian teens need to be taught how to be a Christian not given a YouTube lecture, or cartoonish video. That teaching needs to come from their parents, religious leaders and it must not be hypocritical.

It needs to be the truth, which is presented in love and humbleness. Then, any gospel activity does not need to be reframed or renamed. That is not how Christ taught us to do gospel ministry. The church is not trying to keep up with the times but setting the right example to show the world the difference between God’s kingdom and the secular world.

#5. Don’t waste time calling on the government to do something https://www.christianpost.com/news/bible-students-escape-mynamar-army-not-fed-days-suffering-health-psychological-problems-228546/

A pastor has revealed that 17 Bible students managed to escape an ethnic minority army in Mynamar, but they have not been fed for days and are suffering health problems.

A pastor identified as Rev. Lazarus, general secretary of the Lahu Baptist Convention in Kyaing Tong, told UCAnews.com that the 17 male students fled the United Wa State Army in the Wa hills near Myanmar’s border with China in groups of two or three, with the last arriving to safety on Monday.

Needs are going to rise every day. Too many people waste time appealing to different government agencies and those who need help fail to get it. If you see a need do something about it. The example of the Good Samaritan supports this instruction. He saw a need but did not waste anytime by meeting with social services, government agencies or charities. He took care of the need himself.

You do not need permission, laws or approval to do good. Paul tells us that being good has no law made against it. Doing good is something that Christians should do regardless of the religious beliefs of the needy. That is how we plant and water seeds for the gospel. That is how God gets glory. It is not the job of the government, charity or social service to meet every need that arises.

But keep in mind, we do not blindly do good deeds. The Good Samaritan had the resources to handle the need. You do not make your family suffer because you want to do good for someone else. You also have to be discerning when meeting those needs. In the example of the Good Samaritan, you may not have the financial resources to get a hurt person to a motel and pay their expenses but you may have the resources and ability to get them to a good hospital or medical clinic.

Think before you act and make sure you have God’s support and direction as you meet rising needs.

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2 issues

These are issues that will cause a lot of controversy both within and outside of the church. Let’s take a brief look at both

#1. JRR Tolkien’s Son Part of UK Inquiry Into Catholic Church Mishandling Child Sex Abuse Allegations

https://www.christianpost.com/news/jrr-tolkien-son-uk-inquiry-catholic-church-mishandling-child-sex-abuse-allegations-228477/

The top Roman Catholic archbishop in the U.K. is set to face pressing questions over the way the church has handled child sex abuse allegations, including over the clergy son of JRR Tolkien.

The first thing we need to say is before you believe the victim, make sure they are telling the truth. Do not condemn them, do not make this difficult and do not blindly take them at their word. There are too many people who want to use sexual assault accusations as a way to get at those they do not like.

If the person and accusation are credible and you believe them, then you need to meet God’s requirements to pursue the issue. Because both God and the courts demand that real evidence be used to try to convict a supposed offender, you need to help these people gather the correct, verifiable and credible evidence to support their stories.

The reason Ford failed against Kavanagh is because she failed to do this and she had a lawyer on her side supposedly helping her. The Bible also says to stick to the truth. Nothing is gained for Christ by lying. Those who lie and are successful in convicting those they accuse, only commit sin, as well as destroy justice, fairness, as well as break a few laws.

Always tell the truth, not only to the judge, jury and lawyers, but to the alleged victim. Also be realistic. Do not try to stick it to dead people who cannot defend themselves. We have seen this take place far too often among recent celebrity admissions. This is not right either .

#2. Atheist Minister Keeps Position After Confidential Settlement With United Church of Canada

https://www.christianpost.com/news/atheist-minister-keeps-position-confidential-settlement-united-church-of-canada-228480/

A United Church of Canada minister who declared that she doesn’t believe in God will be allowed to keep her position after reaching an agreement with church officials.

We have been shocked. It is hard to do but this latest approval as certainly left us holding our mouths open and staring in disbelief that any church denomination could do such a thing.

The Right Rev. Richard Bott, who has led the United Church in Canada since July, pointed to the core values of faith in God and inclusiveness as part of the reason why Vosper will be allowed to continue her service.

Yet the Bible does not allow the church to include sin in its midst. Obviously, that church leader forgot the lessons of Ananias and Sapphira in the book of Acts. He has also ignored scores of passages on false teachers who seek to destroy the church and the faithful. There is no verse in the Bible that says we let unbelievers lead churches. Psalm one says the believer is blessed by not walking in the counsel of the ungodly.

Letting the church be led by someone who denies the existence of God is utterly stupid.

he said. “As a Christian church, we continue to expect that ministers in the United Church of Canada will offer their leadership in accordance with our shared and agreed upon statements of faith.”

Does that statement of faith declare that God exists? if so, then that minister cannot work in accordance to that statement.

Vosper, who was ordained in 1993 and has served West Hill United Church since 1997, has reportedly for years been open about her lack of faith in God

No one has done anything about this problem for 25 years? Something is very wrong in the UCC. Clearly, it has lost its Christian core to sin and evil decades ago. Oh wait, someone did try to do something about it:

Following an investigation, the Conference Interview Committee for the United Church’s Toronto Conference ruled 19–4 in September 2016 that Vosper was “not suitable” to continue as minister.

“In our opinion, she is not suitable to continue in ordained ministry because she does not believe in God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Spirit,” stated the committee’s majority at the time.

So why the change in attitude? Money talks and the cost of ousting her to preserve what little Christianity the UCC has left, they decided to save money and hurt God’s people.

Back in January, a representative of West Hill United Church of Toronto told The Christian Post that the congregation has largely secularized their worship services.

If your secular in supposed worship, who are they worshipping? Also, do not call it a church as it isn’t one

 

Non-spiritual Answers to Spiritual Problems

There are times we are surprised. We usually do not like the content Thom Ranier produces because it fails to bring out good biblical teaching on how to handle church problems. His answers are more man generated than biblical. Yet he did surprise us wth one list about why Pastors lose their jobs when the church is growing. The link to the whole story is here:

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/7-reasons-pastors-get-fired-when-a-church-is-growing.html

All but one are really good reasons and they all demonstrate a spiritual problem in the church in general. There is no need to point fingers for the existence of those spiritual problems. They exist and should be dealt with properly. Here is the list in question:

  1. Members who can’t deal with significant change. Most of them are okay with gradual decline because it can be imperceptible day by day. But revitalization can bring major change, at least in the eyes of some church members. They would rather see the church slowly die than suddenly become healthy.
  2. Threats to power brokers and power groups. Growth brings new members. New members dilute the base of the power brokers. Most power brokers don’t like that, so they create lies and innuendos to force out the pastor.
  3. Relational disruption. One of my most memorable, and saddest, moments as a pastor took place when a woman told me God had told her I should be fired as pastor. I naturally asked her why. She responded that it was hard for her to get to know all the new people joining the church, and they were changing relationships in the church. She further said all the new Christians did not understand how we did church. Translation: she wanted her holy huddle and no more.
  4. Idolatry of the past. Many church members will say they really want revitalization, but their real desire is to move the church to 1988. When growth moves the church to the future, however, it’s time to get the pastor out.
  5. Empowered bullies. Church bullies take every opportunity to encourage complaining church members to vent and complain more. Those negative people become additions to the bully’s power base to force out a pastor who is leading change and growth.
  6. Staff who feel threatened. A pastor who leads a church to revitalization and growth can threaten a staff member who feels pulled out of his or her comfort zone. I know of an executive pastor who worked with a personnel committee and a church bully behind the scenes to force out a pastor who was leading the church to growth. Such acts of cowardice are too common in too many churches.
  7. Innuendo, gossip, and lies. The first six scenarios are often exacerbated by innuendo, gossip, and lies. The personnel committee noted above accepted the rumors and gossip conveyed by the executive pastor without ever asking the pastor his side of the story. Truth was just too inconvenient.

#4 is the one that we have trouble with as it is a stretch to call the desire to return to better times idolatry. That word is often misapplied and over-used to describe innocent attitudes. Regardless of what that desire is called, it still reflects a spiritual problem where church members are not dealing with the reality of the present. Each reason in that list are well thought out and pastors, church leaders, and congregants should do some reflecting on issues in their church and seek God’s help in diffusing the situation spiritually.

Yet, in his follow-up article where he tries to provide some answers to these issues, he did not disappoint and we were not surprised. We liked about 2 in this upcoming list as close to being a spiritual answer but in reality, the list does not address the real issues that exist in the above scenarios. They certainly do not stop the problems nor address the source of those problems. Here is his new list:

  1. Communicate exponentially. If you think you are communicating redundantly, you probably have just begun to communicate sufficiently. Keep the congregation informed. Say it. Write it. Repeat it.
  2. Remind the members of the purpose of the growth. It’s about the Great Commission. It’s about caring for and reaching the community. It’s about touching lives. It’s not about the numbers.
  3. Move potential objectors to the welcome team. They will see and greet the guests. It will give them an outward focus.
  4. Ask a long-term member to be your mentor. You will get an invaluable perspective from “the old guard.” You will likely gain an ally as well.
  5. Share healthy resources with members. At the risk of sounding self-serving, I’ve heard from countless church members that two of my books have been paradigm-altering: I Am a Church Member and Autopsy of a Deceased Church.
  6. Celebrate the past. Sometimes we leaders need to be reminded that our church’s past has much to celebrate. We often are so eager to move to the future that we forget or neglect the lessons of the past.
  7. Remind them of faith steps in the past. Though this point has similarities to the previous point, this one is a specific focus and reminder of major faith steps the church has made in the past. It a powerful lesson that the church made changes in the past and can do it again in the present.

#s 2 & 7 are the ones that come close to being a spiritual answer to spiritual problems. We will ignore his self-promotion as that is a minor issue and used as an example. But as you can see, not one of those supposed answers really address bullying, church politics, church power brokers, hesitant attitudes about growth, betrayal or staff bullying.

Each issue in list one is a heart issue as well as indicating a lack of courage, a lack of justice,fairness, and spiritual obedience to God. So why would Mr. Ranier promote answers that do not address the problems and get to the root of the issues? Why would he not bring out what God wants done to solve those issues? We do not know but his actions also demonstrate how any in the church are unwilling to go beyond the surface to get to the heart of the issues that plague the church today.

To handle spiritual problems, one needs to bring spiritual answers. Churches need to go to God for their answers. When a problem hampered the efforts of the Hebrews of the OT, you will notice that they did not go to the secular world for their solutions. When Joshua lost at Ai, he did not contact other military leaders in the surrounding nations. He went to God. So did many other Hebrew leaders.

That is what the church needs to do today. Instead of heading off to secular thinkers, experts and so on, the church needs to get to the heart of the issue by seeking God and finding the true source of the issue. That is how you solve spiritual problems in the church. You need spiritual answers for spiritual problems and only God has the correct answer that will solve the issue at the source.

 

 

Immigration 2

We may not have explained ourselves too well the first time around. That may be because our minds were influenced by the bad use of scripture by a group of people who limit their theology to only the red-letters of some printed Bibles. Or they place too much emphasis on those words over the rest of the Bible, which are also the words of Jesus.

Let’s take a closer look at immigration to any country by using the current migrant caravan making its way through Mexico as an example.

First, does anyone have the right to one day decide they want to move from their home country and move to another nation by avoiding following the target nation’s immigration laws?

The answer, of course, is no. Those laws usually do not violate God’s laws and do not tell people or encourage them to sin. Instead, they are in place to keep people from sinning and illegally entering a country. We cannot use Mary & Joseph’s move to Egypt as an example because we do not know what laws were in place at that time or if Jesus’ parents went illegally. Being righteous people we hardly think they would sin at this time.

Second, is it right to covet the supposed wealth and other benefits of another country?

The people involved in this caravan have heard, etc., about how they can make more money in America. The have heard about the wealth that is there, is it right for them to covet that wealth in light of what one of the 10 commandments say? ‘Thou shalt not covet your neighbor’s…’  The term neighbor is not limited to the family living next door to your home. It can and does apply to countries as well.

These people are coveting what someone else has and are taking the wrong steps to get it for themselves.

Third, is it the application of compassion to support these people in their quest to break immigration laws and sin?

Again, the answer would be no. Compassion is to help people in a time of need and not to be used to break a country’s laws and help people sin against God. A better use of compassion would be to hep these people turn around and get them safely to their homes in their native lands. Then get involved and help them come to a new country the right way.

Right now some of those people are being kidnapped and held for ransom by drug cartels. Is it compassion to expose them to this danger? Is it compassion to let them travel in unsanitary conditions? Is it compassion to let these people take food, jobs, money, benefits from legal citizens of the new country?

Fourth, is it love for a new country by violating the laws of that country for self-gain?

It certainly is not the love that Jesus taught. What we see by this migrant caravan is greed and selfishness and does nothing constructive for the people in the new country this group is travelling to. It is all self-serving and there is no biblical teaching telling anyone to be a burden on anther country nor to be selfish or greedy.

Fifth, is it Christian to distort both the situation and bible verses to alleviate the issue and bring illegal people into a country?

Again, the answer is no. The Bible tells us to tell the truth and creating distortions is not telling the truth. It is basically lying and sin.

Sixth, is it Christian to help people to sin

It is not in the Bible. The Good Samaritan did not commit sin in helping the individual recover from his wounds. He did not lead the individual to sin either. God did not sin at any time when he rescued his people from Egypt. At one point he told the Israelites to stay out of a country and those reasons could apply to the migrant caravan as their efforts do not help other nations feel good about those people

Seventh, is it Christian to spend the money of the government and businesses without their permission?

The people supporting the effort of this migrant caravan are not spending their own money and sponsoring these people. They are spending the government’s money to give them welfare, food stamps and other benefits plus they are spending the money the healthcare outlets have to take care of these people when they get sick. They are also spending education dollars to make sure the children receive an education. Is that right and is that action in the Bible?

The people supporting this caravan are not spending their own money to care for these people once the illegally enter America. They are advocating that other people spend the money. That is money that is not theirs to spend. We do not see celebrities opening up their homes and bank accounts to make sure these people can be here legally, nor do we see Christians doing it. They all want other people to foot the bill, something that is not a biblical attitude.

Eighth, do Christians want to have help becoming illegal or sin?

If you do, then you are not following the Bible. The verse, ‘do unto others…’ is not permission to sin against God or violate a country’s laws. I John also talks about when Christians continuously commit sin and calling themselves of God, they make God a liar and they are not part of God’s family. Christians are not to advocate for or support sin.

Illegal migration is not of God.

Ninth, should Christians learn the difference between legal and illegal immigrants?

Yes, they should. The two are not the same and the latter makes the illegal immigrant a criminal. They have violated laws of the country they are entering. That doesn’t make them upstanding law-abiding citizens.  It makes them offenders. People who  have no love or concern for the rights of legal immigrants and native citizens

Tenth, what can Christians do

There are a lot of biblical responses to those people who are seeking to enter a country illegally.

– they can give them food and water and clothing while providing a sanitary place to do natural bodily functions BUT on their return to their native land

– they can get involved with the people and help them work to bring safe conditions to their native countries

– they can help the return home safely without risk

– they can sponser some so that they can enter a country legally and properly

– they can make sure other Christias are not distorting the issue and bible verses and get the truth out

– they can help provide a better solution than continuing the illegal strategy

– they can help filter out genuine hurting people from those who just want to abuse the new country and help those people enter the country legally

– they can make sure emotions are not used to bend laws

There are a lot of options to solving this type of issue and none of them involve sin or doing illegal acts.This included being fair to those who have already entered the country legally and fulfilled all the requirements to live and work in a given country. It also included being fair to the native citizens who have the right to live and work in their native land

There was a fad going around the Christian world a few years back called W W J D. Well Jesus would not help people to sin or illegally enter a country. He would not distort scripture to help  people sin or violate laws. He would not violate His Father’s will or rules in helping these people. He would not distort scripture to bring about a desired goal.

Read the Bible and you will see what Jesus would do. One thing is he would not misuse love and compassion to let people sin in hopes of getting their butts in the pew. The ends do not justify the means. We believers have no permission to sin in doing good works or to do evangelism.

remeber that NO ONE has a problem with LEGAL immigrants and immigration. It is the ILLEGAL version everyone is against

 

What is in a Date

We are not talking about the fruit. We are talking about a scientific dating system that enjoys producing unrealistic dates for human history

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/nov/07/worlds-oldest-figurative-painting-discovered-in-borneo-cave

A patchy, weathered painting of a beast daubed on the wall of a limestone cave in Borneo may be the oldest known example of figurative rock art, say researchers who dated the work.

Faded and fractured, the reddish-orange image depicts a plump but slender-legged animal, probably a species of wild cattle that still lives on the island, or simply dinner in the eyes of the artist, if one streak of ochre that resembles a spear protruding from its flank is any guide.

The animal is one of a trio of large creatures that adorn a wall in the Lubang Jeriji Saléh cave in the East Kalimantan province of Indonesian Borneo. The region’s rock art, which amounts to thousands of paintings in limestone caves, has been studied since 1994 when the images were first spotted by the French explorer Luc-Henri Fage.

The researchers come up with a 40,000 year date for the paintings using what is called uranium series analysis. If you want to know what that is just click the following link

https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/122/jres.122.044.pdf

This dating system is just another way for secular scientists to justify their rejection of the truth. It is their way to say that creation did not take place 6 to 10,000 years ago. Scientists and other unbelievers claim that their dating systems are independent. But when you take a hard and close look at their dating systems you will see that they are all created by unbelievers using fallible deceived thinking which cannot verify one claim about the dating systems.

Since these dating systems all come from the same source, they are hardly independent and hardly free from error. Even calibration won’t help because the dating systems used to calibrate other dating systems also come from unbelieving sources. There is no independence found in any of the dating systems.

But there is room for doubt. Writing in the journal Nature, the researchers concede that the crusts they analysed had formed on top of a heavily weathered part of the animal painting and that pigment analyses could not distinguish the underlying paint from that of a nearby mulberry-coloured hand stencil.

At least they are honest but that won’t help they case or their cause. Nothing in this solar system existed 40,000 years ago. If we give an honest look at the development of human civilization, let’s use America as an example, why would it take humans 40,000 years to develop, when America went from the stone age to the nuclear age in just over 300 years.

The reasoning is not logical and researchers have to totally dumb down humans to brute beasts to even get close to making any logical arguments about human development. If humans took so long to develop why then did the Minoan society have flush toilets, 2 and 3 floor apartments and homes, hot and cold running water and a lot more modern-day technological advances roughly 3,500 years ago? Why did the ancient societies discovered in India, Europe and other places have grid patterns for their cities, modern day type sewers and more, thousands of years before the current modern era?

Or why did the ancient Babylonians use time capsules, a social security system long before America was a hint in Britain’s eyes? No, evolutionary arguments do not make sense nor can they explain anything about human development. Archaeology alone interferes with their theories. As a side note, it is funny that an anthropologist will find a bone or two near the surface of the earth and declare it too be millions of years old based on the dirt surrounding the discovery.

But an archaeologist digging a mile or to away and goes down over 100 feet only gets dirt dating to a few thousand years ago. Sorry but tectonic plates or other similar theories, pushing up dirt is not a realistic explanation, especially when skeletons are found in pristine condition in that supposed million+ year old dirt. Evolutionary theories do not make sense and neither does the dating of that cave painting.

The work suggests that figurative art may have emerged in south-east Asia and Europe at about the same time,

No the work does not suggest that. The researchers are suggesting that. They have no way to verify that thinking nor do they have any means to determine where cave painting or figurative art originated or who taught who the concept. What they have is paintings done by someone who lived after the creation of the world that used cave walls to tell a story, describe a hunt, graffiti or numerous other explanations for the painting’s existence

Keep in mind that evolutionists also cannot verify one evolutionary claim they make. They cannot produce one piece of verifiable credible and legitimate evidence showing that humans and life developed the way they say it developed. Yet the Bible is dismissed even though not one scientific, archaeological or other research field discovery has yet to prove the Bible false.

We reject that date for the cave paintings and that dating system. They only have one piece of supposed evidence, the date they claim, to justify their conclusions. We have more evidence for Noah’s flood than that. All this does is make the cave painting dating a fairy tale. There is no corroborating evidence supporting the date or the claims made by the researchers. Especially from non-evolutionary sources.

If the supposed supporting evidence comes from evolutionists, then that does not make the new evidence independent. It is like-minded people trying desperately to support their unbelief in the Bible and shore up their nagging doubts that come with the evolutionary theory.

But he is cautious about the dating in the latest study. “Sadly, this work says more about academic competition and the scramble for early dates than it does the emergence of art,” he said. “I welcome the impressive discovery and documentation of a major early art region, but I have considerable reservations about the pertinence of the dated samples to the art beneath. It is not made clear that the oldest minimum ages are clearly and unambiguously related to the figurative art.”

We are not alone in our dissent but our view comes from the truth found in the bible and won’t change when evolutionists wave amagic wand and claim they have supporting evidence. Evolutionists are not promoting the truth, only demonstrating their foolishness by not believing the words of God.

 

Immigration

We try to stay away from political topics. But there are times when political issues cross over into the spiritual realm and these topics cannot be put on the shelf. They must be addressed. Our jumping off spot comes from the following link:

https://www.redletterchristians.org/when-the-bible-gets-in-the-way-of-following-jesus/

When the Bible Gets in the Way of Following Jesus

First off, the Bible does not get in the way of anyone following Jesus. Such thinking found in the title of that article is misguided and demonstrates a lack of knowledge about biblical teaching.Second, the Bible says the same things to everyone. It is the interpretation used, the cherry picking of scriptures and the inability to understand what is being said that gets in the way of following Jesus.

For example, the Bible tells us that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. But what happens in most cases is that individual people apply their own definition to the word love and think that is the definition that God uses. They do not do any in-depth study of the word nor do they ask the Holy Spirit to guide the to the truth so they miss out on what God has told us about his definition of the word.

What happens next is when Christians do not respond in the manner that those people have defined the word love,  they are accused of not being good Christians and not following the Bible. That article is a prime example of that type of mentality- ‘You do not do what we want so you must be and are wrong.’ Rarely do we see these people rethinking their positions or definitions of the word love. It is always the other person’s fault.

Case in point

I understand the fear. Of course we need to protect our children. I get that we have limited resources. Yes, migrants have to enter the country legally. But I don’t think these concerns are near as connected to this migrant caravan as they are to our collective enslavement to fear and misinformation. Rather than be moved by a commitment to understand and care for the “least and the last” we are being stirred into a frenzy of self-protection that is compromising our collective soul. It’s sad. But we can be healed

The author of that article skips over the important issues and dismisses them as if they do not matter. he gives lip service to them as he rushes to judge and condemn those people who  do not agree with him. It is not those who oppose this migrant caravan that is misunderstanding or lack caring. It is the author, and those like him, who ignore facts, fairness and the reality of the situation that do not get it.

They take one scripture and generalize it then try to make everyone else feel guilty because they are not doing their ‘Christian duty’. They distort both scripture and the situation to make people bend to their will and that is not right to anyone. Especially those who have entered any country legally, jumped thorugh all the hoops and got the right visa to live and work in their new land.

The fact that our administration is threatening these countries by taking away funding is short sighted and will only perpetuate the instability. We have to become students who ask the story behind the story behind the story. We have to get close to those in crisis. We need to be in proximity. We need to share tables and stories. And, in a country filled with immigrants, we can.

No this is completely wrong. We have to get to the truth of the issue and see the real motivations behind those in these migrant caravans. So far, not one person who has been interviewed has shown anything that would qualify them for asylum in any country. We do not need to hear the story behind the story behind the story- who even knows what that means?

One thing we are sure about, it does not lead anyone to the truth as many of those supposed migrants have said nothing but how they want to break the law of the land they are heading towards. The author uses his own fear tactics to get people to consider or switch to his way of thinking.  He threatens that ending handouts will destablize a country, something that connot be verified at this  time.

Also, he distorts the issue by ignoring the fact that the current large migrant caravan and other smaller ones, are not filled wiht legal immigrants. Yes, both American and Canada were built by immigrants– BUT THEY WERE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. There is a big difference between being legal and following the rules and being illegal. Many of the members of this caravan have expressly stated that they will break the laws of America. That is something that is not taught in scripture. They claim to be law-abiding but their first act is to be a violator of the law.

Clearly, it is not the Bible getting in the way of following Jesus. Getting people to follow the law is not anti-Jesus or anti-biblical. God had and has rules for people to follow and he punishes them for disobeying them. Surely it is more Christian to punish those who violate or encourage others to violate the law. It is not God or Jesus who are leading these people or their supporters as they ignore scripture time and again and think that there is no difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

The migrant caravan is made up primarily of people with deep Christian convictions and traditions.

This also is not true. They may claim to be Christian and come from a religius denomination but that denomination is not Christian in any way shape or form. To include it in with the term Christian is misleading and allows for false teaching to influence people’s thinking. While there are Christians in the RCC, the Roman Catholic Church is not Christian and teaches far too many false docrines to be even close to Christianity.

That author distorts what is happening and hides the truth with that statement.

As they move north, they are holding vigil and praying for God’s guidance and protection for ultimate liberation. Mommas are pushing strollers as they pray for their children’s future and pleading with God to deliver them toward safety and new life.

Here in the U.S., many people with deep Christian convictions and traditions are praying for the migrant caravan to turn around (at best) or to be violently resisted/restrained (at worst). Parents are fearful that this caravan could threaten the safety and future of their children and are pleading with God to protect them from the “invading enemy.”

There are so many assumptions in that quote that we do not have the time to address them all. People may be pleading and praying but that doesn’t mean they are Christian or deserve to break the immigration laws of America. As the news stories have shown most of these migrants are not fleeing anything dangeorus. God does not answer prayers by having people break the wrong laws.

If they want God’s help, then they need to ask him to help them follow the immigration laws and jump through the right hoops so they can legally live and work in the country. What that author does not recognize is that the migrant caravan is a large invading group of people who have no respect for American law. One lady even said that she had lived illegally in Ameirca for 6 years and was finally deported. She also followed up that confession with, the idea that she should be allowed to work illegally again for a few years and then be deported a second time.

That is not the attitude of someone who is a friend to America or its people. It is certainly not biblical teaching.  The Bible gets in the way of such people telling them not to lie, not to covet, and these people certainly are coveting American resources and wealth, and other instructions. This type of attitude also does not reflect any definition of love for America and it is far from God’s definition. It is a selfish attitude which is also not part of biblical teaching.

How and where does God act in a moment like this? Whose prayers are “heard?”

We are told that the prayers of the righteous are heard. Sadly, we find no one in that migrant caravan that is actually righteous. if they were, they would not be participating in this march of sin. The author of that article puts his own spin on these prayers that he assumes are being said. He forgets that God follows his rules and any prayers answered will not violate God’s rules. Entering a country illegally is not of God.

We have not found one answer to biblical prayers that involved allowing sin to take place. The Bible does tell us to treat others well, doing good in return for evil, but it also does not say we cannot punish lawbreakers. We can have mercy but mercy should not allow sin to flourish. Mercy is usually given when people have truly learned their lesson and repented of their evil ways. It is not permission to continue in their evil desires.

We are going to stop here as we find the supposed Christian thinking of that author repulsive. It is not even close to what the Bible teaches. Governments have the right to close their borders when uninvited citizens of other countries march on their land to disrespect the laws and drain the resources of that country they are marching to.

I’m convinced one of the greatest obstacles to following Jesus in the United States is HOW we read the Bible.

Yes it is and it is the red-letter Christians who are reading the Bible wrong and mis-applying its teachings to the situation of legal and illegal immigration. It is not Christian to let people jump the legal line. It is not Christian to apply the law to some people and not to others. God doesn’t do that. If the people marching on  America right now are of God, they would stop what they are doing and turn to godly, legal ways to enter the country.

Christians should not be helping them to sin and violate the laws of the land. Nor should they be distorting the issue and applying their own subjective and sinful ideology to a situation that is quite clear. What gets in the way of handling these situations correctly and following Jesus are thse supposed Christians who have adopted too much of secular thinking and distort what the Bible says.

 

 

Education & Politics

It is tempting to talk politics and we probably will in this article. But we will not say how you should vote. While we do favor one American party over the other, and we do not favor at least one party in Canada over the others, it is not wise for us to state more details. We will say that the radicals in those parties do more to undermine the sovereignty and existence of the two nations than any other political party.

Part of the problem for us is when Christians get on their soap box and start misrepresenting the facts. It is a bad witness and can turn a lot of people off of Christ. Our case in point:

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/millions-of-christians-are-not-prepared-to-vote-dont-be-one-of-them.html

And we will address some key issues found in that article.

Do you know the candidates on your midterm election ballot? I’d venture to say most Americans don’t.

This means there are millions of Christians in America who are unprepared to vote and who will walk into their polling places on election day largely uninformed of the very races they’re being asked to weigh in on

This is a pretty broad assumption to make. It assumes that no Christian has been watching television in their own cities. The political ads are run often enough that just about everyone should know the issues and who is running for elected office. Whether they go further in their preparing for the elections is up to them, but in this election here we are pretty sure most Christians are aware of what is at stake.

My Faith Votes is working hard to keep America’s Christian voters equipped with the information necessary to cast informed ballots. The Voting Assistance Center is a unique and non-partisan tool that allows users to see an electronic sample of their local ballot and includes critical information on candidates’ positions on the issues.

This sounds good and we hope they are being honest in their presentation. it doesn’t say if they cover all 50 states or not but hopefully they do.

In other words, freedom disappears where ignorance flourishes. Only a people who engages their minds to understand critical issues and evaluate where each candidate stands on those issues can wisely affect the course of society with their vote.

Herein lies the problem. The most successful educational program in the past 40 years has been dumbing down. Ignorance is at an all-time high. We do not say this lightly because we saw the examples of western native teachers who traveled overseas to teach their own language. Not only did most of them not know English, some tried to control provincial Korean NET programs so that their ideology and their ideas would filter out any good teaching candidate they did not like.

Not only did we meet these people, we also saw their handiwork. The quality of native candidates went down year after year and the students suffered for it. Ignorance already permeates the American nation and it is not limited by political or religious affiliation.

Part of this ignorance is seen in the ignoring of the rules of evidence when people are accused of crimes.  You should know the examples well and they too cross political and religious affiliations.

The assault on America’s traditional Judeo-Christian values is coming from all directions, and often the most immediate pressure comes at the local level

This term has always puzzled us. While there is a way God wants people to live, he did not present them in a Judeo-Christian framework. He framed it in moral behavior, right and wrong definitions, and good and evil reality. All of which are rejected by a vast majority of people around the world. Time after time we see God punishing people not for violating a Judeo-Christian standard but for disobedience to his instructions.

Obedience to God’s standards, instructions and commands are key, not a Judeo-Christian standard.

For example, activists on many local school boards have pushed a liberal agenda and so many parents are oblivious to the power these elected officials have over the development of their children!

This is true and it is one reason why the dumbing down of western students and populations has been such a great success. Education is not the priority of certain supposed educators. Having students feel good and being liked by the students is more important. When we were in school, very few of our teachers could have cared about being liked. Their job was to educate and educate they did.

We have said it before and if you read the book Hitler Furies, you will hear it again. Hitler used dumbing down to control the German people. He did not restrict that program to only secular people. This fact partially explains why the religious Germans of that time supported Hitler, even when he went off the rails. Ignorance is a mighty tool to get injustice, favoritism, sin and other negatives into society.

It is also a great tool in controlling people and having power over them. We will not point fingers at any political party but just be forewarned. Education officials do not have the best interests of your students in mind. Doesn’t matter the political party. Our concern has been that schools and school boards have crossed the line from educating students into usurping parental authority and allowing certain actions to take place without the parents’ consent or knowledge.

Schools are not parents of those children, for the most part, and they should not be giving out parental advice or consent to the students. They should be working hand in hand with the parents. But the parents are in the way of the agendas and objectives of many, not all, schools and school boards. These objectives change when elected officials change.

In  Korea, every time there was a new provincial or federal education minister elected, they had to put their own stamp on education. This caused many problems for the Korean teachers. That is no way to run an educational department. Such thinking hampered Korean teachers and set back education by years. But this illustration is mild compared to what is taking place in some western school districts and departments.

There was the story of a school that helped a student get a sex change operation without letting the parents know. Schools and school boards have crossed the line and become ineffective educational institutions. That is just the tip of the iceberg. But all we can say is start praying sincerely and learn who is on the ballot and what they believe before you vote.

The verse, if my people shall humble themselves and pray… applies to politics and education. It is not just an evangelistic instruction.

We can protect Christian values in America if faith voters like you do their homework and make informed votes

It is not Christian values that need protecting. It is the people who need protecting from those who reject God and his ways and have the possibility of being elected to govern western nations. Their interests are not God’s. Their goals are not to see the people governed honestly, justly or even  fairly. Their goal is to control and have power.

We have seen those people in action as the institution of marriage has been compromised; gender divides have been abolished; and the rights of the legal citizens have been ignored in favor of helping those people who break immigration and other laws. Among other violations. Sadly, again not just one party is guilty here, though one may have more guilty members than the other.

We must not take democracy, and the most fundamental act of voting, for granted.

Democracy is the weakest form of any government. That is how Hitler came to power. He tried a forceful way but that did not work. Democracy opens the doors for any political person if they can convince enough people to support their political desires. That means even dictators can take over a nation through democratic means.

The disarming of the people also makes a nation weaker. It is much easier to overthrow a country when their citizens cannot respond in a military way and protect their own borders or lands. You will notice that God does not use a democracy in his kingdom. It is his rules and only his rules that count. Christians need to get the idea of democracy out of their heads, as Jesus said he was the head of the church. There was no vote and no separate Christian parties to choose between.

Politics is an earthly construct only. One that is fallible, influenced heavily by evil and so on. If Christians want to make their mark on this world, they need to be different from the secular people. Whether they are teachers or politicians, Christians need to be better. They need to lead better, educate better and set the right example for all to follow.

If the Christian doesn’t do it, then evil gets to lead more people to destruction

 

 
 
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