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5 Reasons to Overturn Abortion

We like the article

https://theologyarchaeology.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php

It is well written and we do not disagree with the points. We just want to add our point of view to some of the words contained in that work.

Abortion is the Holy Grail to the American left. It dominates all over considerations

Yes it is and does. Why we are not exactly certain. Maybe it is the idea that men and women can have power over life and death. Maybe it is seen as a solution to a problem that does not have in some people’s eyes any acceptable alternative. Or some people see it as a way out of a sticky situation.  Or it is a modern example of men loving darkness rather than light. There are a number of reasons why people place abortion as a high priority to end a life.

One thing that continues to be ignored in this issue as it has been blinded by the mantra- a woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body. This mantra flies in the face of biblical teaching, that once a woman and a man have sex together, their bodies are no longer their own.  It also ignores the fact that the harm being done is not directed at the woman’s body. It is fully directed at the unborn child’s body. A body neither the mother and father own.

Another lie was the number of women who supposedly died in America because of illegal abortions. Abortionist Bernard Nathanson told the media that each year about 10,000 women died from illegal abortions.

We have written on abortion off and on for a couple of decades now. We have never come across any statistic, real or otherwise, that records the actual number of women’s deaths at the hands of an illegal abortionists. That is because such records are rarely kept and many women travel outside of the country to have their abortions.

Christians have to be wary as the unbeliever does not subscribe to any real moral code and will lie to get their way. Believers need to be discerning and know when a lie is a lie and not be blindly believing when told facts without any supportive evidence. Doctors lie, politicians lie, respected leaders lie so be careful.

The main lie was that an abortion was needed for Roe (whom we later learned was Norma McCorvey) because she was supposedly gang-raped

It is a misconception that the baby produced at the hands of nefarious acts are going to be evil in some way. That is a lie. What we do not like in some pro-life arguments is the idea that abortion is okay when they are created through incest, rape or some other illegal or highly unlikable act. The baby, as God said and we paraphrase, is not guilty and should not be punished for the sins of their parents.

Abortion in these cases needs to be ablished and the baby treated better.

Many women who have had abortions have been shocked to find that they feel guilty about them, despite the culture’s overall approval

This is the one reason we have a little trouble with. Abortion should not be made illegal just because a women feels guilty. It should be made illegal as it protects the unborn from malicious acts for doing nothing wrong. It should be made illegal because it is wrong to kill and violates God’s commandments. Sorry women but your guilt is not enough here. Plus, the author of that article omits any guilt some men may feel at the loss of their unborn child, whether they were willing participants or unwilling victims.

Abortion is not a women’s only issue. Men force women to have abortions, men see their child destroyed by angry women and on it goes. Abortion does not affect just one gender.

Abortion kills millions of unborn babies.

So do criminal acts, wars, invasions, and even accidents. Lets not get over dramatic when calling for the overturning of a nasty law. Killing is wrong no matter when it is done.

God opposes abortion

This should have been the first reason. Not the last. But what that author ignores or forgets is that God did not restrict the term innocent to just unborn babies. Any innocent blood that is shed  God hates. Doesn’t matter if it belongs to an old white male, a young lady, a teenager or whomever. Innocent blood is innocent blood. Each innocent life should be protected not just the politically expedient.

All of us reading these words should be grateful that we escaped the abortionist’s knife.

This is where he ruins his article.

 

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Our Comments on a Few Topics 4

There are a few news stories that deserve our attention but we cannot do them all justice. We will make a few comments about each one

#1. A well-written articlehttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/biblical-christianity-vs-progressive-ideology-threat-western-christianity.html

The dangers are great from the progressive ideology, but very often the issue seems to take care of itself. Progressive churches collapse in on themselves, and people stop attending, because people are looking for the truth, not a truth, not a relative opinion, or a viewpoint or a universalist one of many ways to the summit, but people are looking for solid truth, a rock to stand on, and progressivism offers a wishy-washy “love above all else” which jettisons truth, ethics, and revelation for the sake of not offending anyone.

We enjoyed it and it covered the topic probably better than we could. We have written on Progressive Christianity before, including addressing Benjamin Corey’s posts. Sin is given a free pass in that ideology and one should be wary of those who promote that thinking.

#2. There are several of these storieshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/new-complaint-against-megachurch-pastor-dean-curry-alleges-multiple-instances-of-sexual-misconduct-225896/

A former board member of the multi-campus Life Center Assembly of God church in Tacoma, Washington, has filed a formal complaint with federal and state agencies alleging that Dean Curry, who was recently dismissed as the church’s pastor, previously engaged in multiple instances of sexual misconduct involving church members and employees.

We are going to address them all right here. When you start playing with God’s commands and instructions, then you are opening yourself up to attacks from evil. The more you alter what God has said, the more vulnerable a believer becomes. It doesn’t matter if you are a pastor church leader or just a pew warmer the further you get from God the easier it is for evil to destroy your spiritual life.

We are sad that the newspaper is filled with several of these stories. They give the church and God a black eye. Even though people will fail, the unbelieving world does jump on these situations and use them to their fullest unbelieving potential. We can only recommend that you start or continue to pray for your pastors and church leaders.

#3. The Bible is the only authorityhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/andy-stanley-why-he-quit-saying-the-bible-says-while-still-loving-the-bible-225628/

North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley recently explained to popular radio host and Messianic Jewish author Michael Brown why he’s quit using the term “the Bible says.”

In an episode of Brown’s podcast “Line of Fire” that aired Monday afternoon, Stanley explained why, although he considers the Good Book inerrant, the term “the Bible says” doesn’t work with those he’s trying to evangelize.

We disagree. Billy Graham once said that every time he used the phrase the Bible says or something similar, he felt power in his words. Saying the Bible says means you are not preaching or evangelizing out of your own knowledge or understanding and recognizing that God and the Bible are the authority for this world. The Bible has the answers for everyone in the world today.

No matter what people say, it does work for everyone needing to be evangelized or to meet life’s situations. Using the Bible gives God the opportunity to win souls, as he said his word does not return to him void. The phrase will work when done correclty, the unchurched world needs to hear what the Bible does say.

#4. Faith healing problemshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-couple-who-treated-sick-twin-daughter-with-prayer-get-nearly-7-years-for-her-death-225903/

A young Oregon Christian couple who relied on faith alone to heal their sick newborn twin daughter were sentenced to nearly seven years in prison for the baby’s death in 2017 after pleading guilty to criminally negligent homicide, the Clackamas County District Attorney’s Office announced Monday.

As a condition of their guilty plea, Sarah Mitchell, 25, and her husband, Travis Mitchell, 22, who were members of the controversial Followers of Christ Church in Oregon City, had to sign a statement saying: “We should have sought adequate medical care for our children and everyone in the church should always seek adequate medical care for our children.”

Faith healing is misunderstood by both the churched and unchurched world. We have written long posts on the topic (search faith healing). Do not expect the unbelieving world to accept something they do not understand. Do not expect them to react the way God would want. When children are involved God and his ways go out the window. Emotions rule not rational and logical thinking. Faith healing is also not what you expect it to be. You can pray, go to a faith healer or you can use faith and go to the hospital.

Also, not all people who use faith healing are actually Christian and their efforts will not work.

#5. Archaeology does it againhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/archaeologists-discover-entrance-gate-to-biblical-city-of-zer-where-jesus-fed-thousands-in-miracle-225846/

Archaeologists have reportedly uncovered the ancient entrance gate to the biblical city of Zer in Israel, also known as Bethsaida, which is mentioned in the New Testament as the city where Jesus fed the 5,000 with five loaves and two fish in one His most well-known miracles.

“There are not many gates in this country from this period. Bethsaida was the name of the city during the Second Temple period, but during the First Temple period it was the city of Zer,” said Dr. Rami Arav, director of the Bethsaida Project, according to The Jerusalem Post

It is a good article, we won’t complain

#6. Oh the weird things scientists conclude– .https://www.christianpost.com/news/new-discovery-reveals-bright-pink-is-the-worlds-oldest-color-scientists-say-225880/

Scientists have discovered the world’s oldest color — bright pink.

The road to the revelation of the world’s oldest color began when a company drilled deep into the Earth in search of oil. While probing beneath the surface of the Sahara Desert in search of oil, the company hit some black, oily rocks.

The company then sent those rocks to the Australian National University, The Guardian reported.

Ph.D. student Nur Gueneli then decided to crush those rocks into a fine powder, and upon doing so, she obtained bright pink pigments.

Conclusions like this make us wonder about the sanity and mental health of a majority of scientists. We run into this type of thinking a lot and it makes no sense, considering that no other rocks from the same era from different locations in the world were tested. But then maybe we are expecting too much from the lost, blind and deceived world.

An associate professor at the university, Jochen Brocks, claimed that the bright pink pigments even date back to a time when animals were not roaming the Earth

This, like the declaration that bright pink is the world’s oldest color, is impossible to prove or even verify. It is just dumb to make those type of announcements.

#7. Some good and bad newshttps://www.christianpost.com/news/50-boko-haram-islamic-radicals-killed-1000-hostages-mainly-women-and-children-rescued-in-nigeria-223803/

the good– The Nigerian Army revealed that close to 1,000 hostages, mainly women and children, have been freed following a massive week-long battle against Islamic radical group Boko Haram in northeastern Nigeria.

the bad– Despite the significant success in Borno over the past week, a United Nations envoy has warned that Boko Haram is still years away from being eliminated

We are glad women and children have been rescued. We are sad, knowing that no matter what we do sin will abound till God ends time on this earth. If it isn’t Boko Haram then it will be another group from another country. Keep praying for those persecuted and for the souls of the persecutors

#8. These are weak reasonshttps://www.christianpost.com/voice/3-reasons-why-science-has-not-done-away-with-belief-in-god.html

The belief that science has an answer for everything seems universal. Often alongside it is the notion that God is therefore redundant and that believing in him is reminiscent of believing in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

First off, those supposed Christian scientists who say that God lied and did not create as he said are not the reason why science hasn’t done away with a belief in God. The main reason why it hasn’t is because science is not dealing in the truth and is incapable of proving God and the Bible wrong.  Actually we felt all those reasons were very bad and should not be considered real reasons.

#9. We do not believe themhttps://www.christianpost.com/news/bill-hybels-entered-into-sin-willow-creek-elders-now-admit-apologizing-for-not-believing-women-225596/

Elders of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois have now admitted that founder and former senior pastor Bill Hybels “entered into sin,” adding that they should have believed the women who made sexual misconduct accusations against him earlier this year.

“We apologize and ask for forgiveness that the tone of our initial response was not one of humility and deep concern for all the women involved. It takes courage for a woman to step forward and share her story,” the elders of the evangelical megachurch wrote in a statement published on Saturday.

“We are grieved that we let Bill’s statement stand for as long as we did that the women were lying and colluding. We now believe Bill entered into areas of sin related to the allegations that have been brought forth.”

It sounds more like damage control than the truth. Also, since that church practiced unscriptural things, it is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. Getting to the truth is not easy but one rule of thumb is that the accusers are not always telling the truth and the accused is not always guilty or lying. That board also seems to be ignoring the issue of temptation and other spiritual influences that may lead both the accused and the accusers to say and do things they should not.

We cannot trust that board to produce the truth. Nor can we trust Scot McKnight’s words in a follow up article:

https://www.christianpost.com/news/willow-creeks-bill-hybels-had-too-much-power-scot-mcknight-on-scandal-225890/

Responding to Willow Creek Community Church’s recent apologies for the way the leadership handled sexual misconduct allegations against founder Bill Hybels, New Testament scholar Scot McKnight argued that the victims had no choice but to go public and expose misconduct.

McKnight, who attended the South Barrington, Illinois, megachurch for 10 years, argued on his Jesus Creed blog that autonomy may be largely to blame for how the church’s leadership failed the women.

“What the power brokers think of first is protecting the institution, which is (sad to say) protection of the power at the top,” he wrote.

We are not saying the Mr. Hybels is innocent and we are not saying that the accusers are lying. We are saying is that too much smells here and we do not like what we read about the whole situation.

With autonomy, McKnight argued that there is usually “too much authority in the inner circle at the top and voicelessness for too many.

It is a difficult issue, one which we will not go into very deeply, but Mr. McKnight needs to remember that the church is not a church for the people, by the people, of the people. The church is owned and operated by God and he sets up his ministers with a certain amount of authority with oversight instructions.

But we will be careful with our words as we do not know all  the  details.

#10. She is righthttps://www.christianpost.com/news/tomi-lahren-warns-conservatives-will-lose-alienate-many-if-they-fight-roe-v-wade-225840/

Lahren, speaking out in light of conservative hopes that Trump will nominate a Supreme Court justice in favor of overturning the 1973 ruling on Roe v. Wade that legalized abortion to replace the retiring Justice Anthony Kennedy, said that such a fight would be a “big mistake.”

“Yes, the new high court vacancy is a huge opportunity for conservative values and principles, I get it. And I understand the passion behind the pro-life movement,” Lahren said in her “Final Thoughts” segment on Friday on Fox News Insider.

“But to use conservatives’ new-found power and pull to challenge a decision that — according to a new Quinnipiac poll — most Americans support, would be a mistake,” she added.

She is right as we said in the title. It is easy to overturn a law and let someone else handle the problem. Our question is, what programs do the supporters of overthrowing Roe v. Wade have put in place and are ready to go, fully funded, to handle the problems that come if they are successful in making abortion illegal?

There is more to this issue than just changing a law. Men and women are not just going to throw themselves and repent of their sinful ways because the church has won its battle. There are real problems that have to be dealt with that the church cannot walk away from. Is the church prepare to handle those problems? Salvation is not done through preaching a gospel message alone. It takes involvement, rolling up one’s sleeve, and getting bruised and it takes prayer and more.

Sadly, many Christians and churches just want to take the easy way out and send the problem back to God. God is waiting for his people to stop doing that and obey his commands and get involved in unbelievers lives correctly. God has chosen his people to to do the work with his help. When God sent his people through the desert to Sinai, he may have led them, but the people of Israel still had to march through the desert, experience the good and the bad times and learn how to keep their eyes on God.

The same with the issue of abortion. Overturning the law is just the beginning not the end of Christian work in this issue.

 

Signs of the Times

We are sure just about everyone has heard about the church in  Auburn, Indiana by now. Their sign has raised more than just a few hackles. Well, now they have been given the boot

https://www.christianpost.com/news/church-kicked-out-building-sign-message-lgbtq-is-a-hate-crime-against-god-repent-225826/

A church in Indiana has been evicted from its building for placing a sign outside that read, “LGBTQ is a hate crime against God.”

In this issue, one of the key biblical teachings that has been missing is Jesus’ instruction to return good for evil. The LGBTQ community has often been deprived of the results of that command and the church has not received it in return when their acts are deemed not good by the LGBTQ communnity.

There are other biblical teachings that are missing from the issue as well. But we have pointed those out in earlier posts. If one wants to use the definition of the word as it is applied by most people today, one can say that the sign is very correct as the LGBTQ community certainly do not demonstrate any love for God. They do demonstrate a lot of hatred for his instructions, commands and definitions of the word sin.

It is not just the church who is appearing to use hatred in their behavior. Our issue here is not with the sign. We think it is telling the truth but that truth could be spoken in a more tactful way. What bother us is the words of one resident quoted by the author of that article. That is what we will look at here today.

It is beyond a doubt that some of us have strong feelings about this church/sign and these beliefs,” the resident, Kristin Russell, wrote on Facebook. “I want everyone who comes to come with open arms and open minds.

To us, it is amazing how some people think that their wants, desires and expectations gets to over-rule everyone else’s and God’s desires and wants. Why is her desires more important than that church’s? Why is it more important than God’s? Maybe it is because she knows she sins a lot and she wants people to accept her sins and all. We do not know, That is our guess.

No hate allowed.

It has become quite clear that a lot of people do not understand what hate really is. Disagreeing with someone does not mean you hate them. Trying to save someone from their sins and destruction is not a hate crime or an action motivated by hate. The hypocritical thing here is that she does not mind hate being used against that church. If no hate is allowed, then why was that church forced out of their building? It is not the church that is displaying hatred in this situation but thse who do not like what the church says.

If that resident wants people to have open hearts and minds, then they need to practice that attitude with the church no matter what it says on its sign. What we see is that hatred is allowed if it is directed against the church and Christians only. But that is the way it is with the unbeliever. They refuse to meet God’s regulations and cover their ears when God’s message is brought to their attention. They call it hate, denying academic freedom and so on.

They then turn around and deny Christians the same attitude they want the church to use. They want the church and Christians to change God’s message to the world. That is definitely not showing love to God.Of course, that change cannot be done.

Positive, progressive, and loving signs are welcome and encouraged

Of course they are. People want to get to heaven and have eternal life without following Gd’s instructions. They do not want to do one simple act of repentance or give up their sin to achieve that desire. They want to corrupt paradise and make it like life here on earth. Sadly, these people do not realize or accept the fact that they are being used by evil to ruin God’s creation and get back at God for their expulsion from paradise. Ouor battle isnot with our fellow humans.

Bring friends and family. Overall, I would just like the message of loving everyone despite differences to get across.

Yet, she and others like her will not do that in response to the church’s actions. Again, it is a hypocritical demand. Also, she and people like here do not understand that it is not loving to keep people in their sins.  Or that it is not loving to let people continue towards destruction without warning. A person swimming in a river may not know a waterfall is ocming. It is not a hate crime to warn them about their pending doom. Just because the swimmer ignores the warning or does not believe a waterfall is coming does not make the waterfall and their destruction go away

But the Bible tells us that people will only want to hear what they want to hear and that they are going to be willfully ignorant. Maybe the church should find a better way to warn LGBTQ members than that sign.

Please please do not bring any negativity with you, and let’s just show this church that Auburn stands with the LGBTQ+ community, and that God and churches can as well!

Sadly, that woman knows nothing about God and negativity. She certainly displayed a lot of it when she used hate to oppose that church and its sign. God does not stand with practicing sinners. God does not want his followers to stand with practicing sinners and support their evil ways. Only evil wants that to take place. What she and people like her forget is that there is more to biblical teaching than love your neighbor as yourself.

There are moral standards to uphold. As well as standards of right and wrong along with good and evil. The problem here is that those opposing the church and the complete biblical teaching are blind and deceived.  They need prayer not retaliation. They need to be helped when in trouble, another biblical teaching, and they need to be comforted as well.

Those actions that resident and others like her will accept. But they will not acept the fact that they are sinners going to hell because hell is not loving, open-minded, open-armed, progressive and so on. It also reminds them that they have no hope.

In a statement posted to Facebook last week, Remnant Fellowship offered no apologies to those who were offended by the display, which some deem as being “anti-LGBT.”

Why should they apologize, they did nothing wrong. You only apologize when you actually do something wrong and are truly sorry for your actions. Offending someone is not necessarily doing something wrong. People get offended by the littlest detail these days and it is almost impossible to not offend someone. Being a Christian is an offense to the unbelieving world so how is a Christian not going to offend someone? We hold different beliefs, have different goals and objectives, live differently and so on. Jesus said he would divide families so offending a practicing sinner is not a big deal.

Even Christians get offended by other Christians so apologies are not the go to response to solve the issue. Then, of course, some peope will call it anti-LGBTQ. That is because the LGBTQ community and its supporters hate anything and label it anti them whenever someone says anything that disagrees with their accepted ideology.

But those practicing sinners do not realize that they are anti-God with their views and preferences. They also will not accept tha label. They ignore the biblical teaching that says God said he who is not for me is against me. That comment seems to have slipped their attention. Ignoring or trying to change biblical teaching makes the LGBTQ community and its supporters very anti-God and they owe him more than just an apology.

It is not up to the church to repent and get right with the LGBTQ community and their sinful ideology. It is up to the LGBTQ community to show their love for God and repent of their sins and get right with God. All of them, including their LGBTQ preferences. The church may no tbe perfect but it only needs to please God correctly. It is not commanded to please the LGBTQ community or its supporters.

 

 

At Least Be Respectful

When a person labels themselves a bible scholar like Benjamin Corey does, another person expects a better level of debate or discourse. Now as we go through the following article

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/vagina-makes-hard-teach-bible/

they may think we are ranting. We are not. We have far more respect for women to let certain groups of bible studiers get away with reducing a woman’s identity and sum of their worth to a mere intimate body part. Sure those people may want to ‘push the envelope’, ‘think outside the box’, or let everyone know they know the scientific word for private parts and can use it freely.

Just because you can use the term does not mean you should.

What About A Vagina Makes It So Hard To Teach The Bible?

Maybe we are a bit prudish but we do not care. women should be treated far better than that title is doing. Women are more than just a sexual being and shoul dbe treated, even in this discourse with a little more respect. That little more means the truth should be told. It is not because a woman has a certain intimate body part that they are banned from speaking in the church.

Paul made this clear in 2 places.

11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first [h]created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, [i]fell into transgression. (1 Tim. 2 NASB)

and

34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is [n]improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 [o]Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? (1 Cor. 14 NASB)

It was because of their sin not because they are differently equipped that keeps them from being part of Church leadership. These are instructions that we need to take seriously because it was not the culture of that time that banned women from being a minister or preacher or whatever word you want to use. It was God doing the banning for a very specific holy reason. We do not have the authority to overturn God’s decision.

Once you get the reason wrong in this issue, then you start to get everything wrong in the issue.

We all know what people like John Piper think about women preaching and teaching the Bible from a church pulpit:

That kind of thing is a boys only job.

Uhm…no… It isn’t because it is a boy’s club that women are not allowed. See above. But once you start to distort the issue and take the ban down from its divine place, then certain believers and bible scholars start looking for other false reasons to blame for the omitting of women from the pulpit.

Personally, I don’t even know why a reader/listener of his would even ask the question– in 2015 he was asked whether or not women should be allowed to be police officers, and his response was more of the same, yet broader:

Everyone asks this question. It doesn’t matter what year it is. The bible does not change and those words are present in every age and people are going to question God’s decision. Sometimes it is just to understand it, other times they are being tempted by evil to reject God over a simple instruction that does not hurt anyone. Charles Templeton was one such man. Billy Graham once described Mr. Templeton as a better evangelist than himself. Yet evil found a way to destroy the man and his godly ministry.

The issue is not whether or not the question should be asked today but why are believers not learning from the mistakes of others? We are not talking about Mr. Piper’s position on women pastors and teachers over men.

So here’s where we’re at:

Women have the intelligence to teach the Bible.

Women have the competence to teach the Bible.

Women have the skills and abilities necessary to teach in general…

They just shouldn’t use those skills and abilities, and they shouldn’t use that competence and intelligence, if it means that men are in the audience.

The question is, why do people have a problem with this? Years ago there was a slogan that many believers used to defend their Christian belief. It went like this– God said it, I believe it and that settles it. But over the decades, that saying went out of vogue as more and more people stopped believing what God said. His word was not settled and they started to drift off to alternative ideas, including allowing women to sin and violate God’s instructions.

We should point out that Paul’s words quoted above, did not come from his infamous 1 Cor. 7 passage where he said he was giving his thoughts and not God’s. They come from two very serious and completely divinely inspired boooks of the NT. God has given his instructions and he is a God who values obedience. Then it should be noted that the reasons for this ban are not to make women inferior or second class. God points to very legitimate reasons why they are not to have authority over a man, be pastors and so on.

Again we should take those instructions very seriously as the reasons humans give are vastly different from the ones God gave and humans looking to disobey God do not trump God and his word.

While I’ve been a Christian more years than not, and hold steadfastly to our faith, I have to admit: the idea that having a vagina should disqualify someone from using their God-given gifts or hard-earned knowledge, is one of the most dangerous and mission-defeating ideas we’ve ever come up with.

No it is not. That is pure hyperbole and misleading. We are not placed on this earth to change the rules just because someone does not want to join the club. Our mission is not to get anyone and everyone to join the church regardless of the instructions. Our mission is to get everyone saved then teach them God’s instructions. God made it very clear in Deut. 4 & 6 what we are to teach our children and those who newly enter his kingdom. We are to teach his ways, his commands, and his instructions.

No permission was granted to change those items. Especially when people did not want to follow them. It isn’t about a woman’s intimate part. It is about listening to God and obeying him. Again, having a different piece of equipment from a man is not the disqualifying factor here. Let’s keep the discussion on course and on topic.

So, what about a vagina makes it so hard to teach the Bible? Nothing.

In fact, as Piper himself admits, there is no logical reason why women cannot teach or preach the Bible, other than the Apostle Paul apparently said so 2,000 years ago.

As Rachel Held Evans pointed out, Piper presents not so much a high-view of the role of pastor, as he presents a low-view of women:

You can read anything you want into the words of other people, especially if you lower yourself to ‘interpret their words’. This includes God’s words. Again, it is not about a woman’s intimate part {yes, we are avoiding using the term vagina because it just does not seem appropriate to us to use it even though we are talking about it}.

Piper may admit that but there is not a logical reason why women are not allowed to be pastors and teachers of men, etc. God set his temple and church up to function sans women leadership and he gave us his reasons for doing it. Are we to presume that we know more than God on how to run his church? If someone thinks they do, then that is the sin of arrogance rising up influencing their thinking.

Women were also not banned just because Paul said so. If you look at the structure of both the NT church and the OT temple you see that God set it up that way. You will also see that God is consistent in his organizational structure. God is not an hypocritical God. It also has nothing to do with one modern man’s low opinion of women, if Ms. Evans is correct in her assumption.

As for me, I thank God that I didn’t spend eight years of my life studying in seminaries that listened to Piper’s illogical argument– I could not have made it, nor would I have the skills and abilities I have now, were it not for these God-honoring women who devoted themselves to training and equipping individuals like myself.

Most likey Mr. Corey would not have made it because of his beliefs, not because a woman wasn’t teaching him. They talk about a slippery slope and once you start breaking God’s rules and do not repent, it is easier and easier to slide down that slope. Dr. Corey has slidden down that slope quite a ways and it is doubtful he will ever get back to true belief again. He even admits to being a true believer but has changed over the years.

You will notice that when Jesus was tempted by evil, he used God’s word to defeat that temptation. It is pretty hard to defeat temptation when you doubt or do not accept portions of God’s word. When you knock the foundation of a building out, it is impossible for that building to stand securely or properly. In most cases, the building comes down.

That is what happened to Dr. Corey and many other believers and denominations. They have knocked their own house down by knocking out the foundation that was built on God’s words.

Yes, I am a devout Christian. Yes, I believe in the inspiration of Scripture and that scripture must be handled seriously.

How can Dr. Corey say this when he does not actually believe all scripture? He does not believe in the inspiration of all scriptures and ignores much of its teaching. We have dealt with his lack of belief over the years, including his views on LGBTQ issues, etc.

But this idea that being a woman should disqualify gifted and competent people from teaching any number of topics at a seminary level?

Well… that defies all logic, reason, and the countless experiences of all the pastors, teachers, church historians, Christian counselors, Bible translators, missionaries, and theologians, who attest to the reality that we had a richer and fuller season of preparation at seminary– not despite having female professors and mentors, but because of them. 

Woman are not banned from teaching. They can still teach other women and young children. Let’s keep the topic on track. They are barred from teaching men and God has given us his logical and rational reasons. Just because so many supposed scholars and church leaders ignore those instructions does not make allowing women teaching men correct.

We would disagree with him as a richer and fuller experience in seminary is not biblical teaching. Obedience to God and his instructions are. In answer to his few paragraphs about how a woman made his learning easier, we would suggest that maybe he just had the wrong male teachers.

The issue at hand is not just obeying God but the question, how can you get to the truth if you are ignoring God’s instructions and disobeying those instructions? If you are not following God then who are you following really? It certainly is not God.

Many years ago we went to work for a group home for boys who had a ministry in the United States and a Caribbean country. The man in charge once told us that ”you need to yoke them when they are young”. Secular psychologists also state that a child’s attitudes etc., are basically completed when they are very young. These two groups get their ideas from God who taught the parents and grandparents of the people of Israel to teach their young the ways, instructions and commands of God.

This was so ordered so that they would learn to fear the Lord and obey him. Obedience to God is the issue here,not finding a way around God’s instructions to get women into a position they are divinely banned from holding. It is not about their intimate parts or the fact that they are women. It is about obeying God. We have asked over the years, how can the church expect the secular world to convert to Jesus and follow his ways when the church does not do so?

That is a question you need to ask yourself and ask God to bring you to the right answer.

 

Why Do SOME Church People…

have a problem with sin?

https://www.christianpost.com/news/church-mounts-billboard-atop-gay-bar-telling-lgbt-community-god-takes-pride-in-you-225798/

Church Mounts Billboard Atop Gay Bar Telling LGBT Community ‘God Takes Pride in You’

Even in this day and age, you would think that church people would understand what is or isn’t sin. After all we have had over 5,000 years of teaching to learn from. You would also think that they would learn and understand God’s view of sin and who practices it. This billboard tells us that some people did not get the memo or they turned to their own understanding and stopped following the Spirit of Truth and Jesus.

Their understanding has led them to be vulnerable to deception and misguided thinking on the word ‘love’ and other keywords people use these days to let practicing sinners in the church without total repentance first. These kind of believers and churches make evangelism harder for true evangelists and may give rise to the attitude of why try saving people when the church we send new believers to, returns the new convert back to their sin.

A Disciples of Christ Church in San Diego that describes itself as “radically inclusive” has purchased a billboard atop a gay bar with a message to the LGBT community, declaring, “God takes pride in you, so do we!”

As we all know, God does not take pride in sin or practicing sinners. He warns those who call good evil and evil good yet somehow, this particular church has failed to read the book of Isaiah. God tells people to be holy yet this church seems to take pride in countermanding God’s instructions by telling practicing sinners that they do not have to give up their sin to be holy.

Then Jesus was already ‘radically inclusive’ when he said that ‘whosoever will may come’ but that invitation did not include the sin those practiced by those accepting the invitation. The church just has to follow Christ’s example. Anyone may come to church and be saved but their sin is not welcomed and must be rejected and repented of first before God will take pride in anyone.

The Mission Gathering Christian Church first promoted its billboard endorsing gay pride on Twitter last month as something that the Bible would also treat as that which is “right and good.”

“If you’re looking for a sign… This is it. Our message of PRIDE coming in July. Check us out then join us to ‘do what is right and good…’ Deuteronomy 6:18,” the church tweeted.

Leave it to a liberal church to leave out the most important words of that passage of scripture. Here is the whole verse and we will bold those words that are utmost important here

18 You shall do what is right and good in the sight of the Lord, that it may be well with you and that you may go in and possess the good land which the Lord swore to give your fathers,

In other words, it is what God says is right and good that we are to do. Not what our own understanding tells us is right and good. What is right and good is not influenced by secular culture or the modern thinking of the secular world. God has already told us what is right and good and it is up to us to understand those instructions correctly.

The church told Fox 5 that the billboard, which appears along the route of the San Diego LGBT+ Pride Parade, set for July 14, is meant to welcome those that “have traditionally been marginalized by the evangelical church.”

Here is where we get our title from. The LGBTQ community has not been marginalized by the evangelical or fundamental church. They have been told to repent of their sins if they want to see heaven. Sadly, most LGBTQ members refuse to give up their sin to be saved. They were not marginalized, they rejected God’s plan of salvation and cannot love God enough to repent of their sins.

God does not change the rules to get into his kingdom just because a few people refuse to adhere to the rules.

For far too long, Christians have been known for who we are against. We’re afraid of difference. We only desire to make the world conform to our image of what is right and good,” Brandan Robertson, a pastor at the church who describes himself as an LGBT Christian

Deception alters the reality and relabels the actions of those calling people to be saved. We are not afraid of differences and we are not calling people to our image of what is right and wrong. We are obeying God by telling people what they must do to be saved.We are teaching people that to be holy and enter the kingdom of God their sin must go.

Then we are not making the world conform to our image of right and wrong. We are merely being the messenger and letting them know GOD’s standards of right and wrong, good and evil, moral and immoral. Those standards were not created by humans long ago as they sat bored watching their sheep. They were created by God long before he brought us into existence,

At Mission Gathering, we believe that in our diversity that we best reflect God’s divinity — that when we amplify the beauty of our differences, all of us are challenged to expand our perspective and become more loving, more mindful, and more kind,” he said.

Unfortunately for that pastor, that is not biblical teaching. It is pure heresy and comes from evil. He or she does not know what love is and forgets that love applies to our relationship with God. One way we love God is to give up all of our sin. Yet, the LGBTQ only wants a one-way street their way. That is not loving but selfishness.

Some members of his church are also expected to join the LGBT Parade on July 14.

In 2013, the Disciples of Christ, also known as the Christian Church, became one of a number of mainstream Protestant Christian denominations to affirm openly homosexual individuals as welcome members and leaders in the life of the denomination.

What will that prove? LGBTQ preferences offer nothing to the world and does not contribute to its survival. Welcoming sin into the church only leads to its demise and helps the members stray even further from God and the truth. They are not showing any inclusiveness here, just demonstrating how to mock God and send the message that his words do not matter.

That is not showing love for their fellow man nor to God. Love does not keep people in their sins. Jesus demonstrated that by coming to earth and dying for all of us.

 

Rachel Held Evans & Abortion

We come across her Twitter comments through the following news article:

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/rachel-held-evans-ever-evolving-legalities-abortion.html

Over the past few months, we have questioned why people use Twitter at all. It is not a format to express one’s views whether they be the spiritual or social issues they are talking about. We also cannot figure out why so many supposed journalists quote from Twitter. It is amazing that people actually think that Twitter feeds are credible, legitimate or even worth the time.

But they do and as has been seen, what they say on Twitter gets them into all sorts of trouble. We hope to stick mainly to Ms. Evans’ comments that have been quoted for us. We make no presumption or assumption that these deleted words constitute her full view on abortion.

#1. I’m pro-life by conviction, though my views on the legalities of abortion are complex, ever-evolving, & detailed elsewhere.

For us, if those ever-evolving views are not headed for the truth, then they are not worth holding onto. The lives of mothers and innocent babies are at stake and nothing less than the truth will do. We are pro-life but see the issue as a very complex one not because of any legalities but because of the sin nature in both men and women.

Women are not solely to blame for the abortion rate, men play a large role in the issue as well. They do their fair share of encouraging, forcing, demanding women get an abortion to shield their sinful activities. Women also opt for abortion over better alternatives. But again, it is a spiritual issue more than anything else. Solve the spiritual issue, you will solve a lot of abortion issue problems.

#2. That said, today I’ve been wondering if most pro-lifers have considered what overturning Roe v. Wade would look like in actuality… First, it wouldn’t end abortion, which would likely remain legal in several states.

We have. We have done it for about 30 years. After writing our first book on the issue almost 3 decades ago, we have thought long and hard about what overturning Roe v. Wade would do. We understand quite clearly that abortion should not be legal. God has taught us a lot abut this situation. We do not talk much about Roe v. Wade because the problem for women that comes back into existence is a dfficult one to solve. Churches and Christians may not be prepared to handle that problem if it returns to society.

We are not sure if abortion would remain legal or not in certain states but it would open the states legal code up to serious challenges to make abortion illegal. The problem is though, it is easy to make a law and then forget about the people involved in the issue. Churches and Christians do  this all the time. But it is not a problem that can be solved by a prison term or the court system. Christians would have to roll up their sleeves and get involved with their friends, neighbors and relatives, to help them through an unexpected pregnancy or one that comes through illicit/sinful affairs.

Judgmentalism, condemnation, scorn, condescending attitudes and more would have to be left at the door if Christians want to head off the troubling results of illegal abortions. The church cannot let the law worry about it. Again, it is a spiritual prblem and only the church is equipped to handle those. Legal or illegal abortion will never go away. There will always be someone who needs to save their reputation, protect a marriage or use the method as a form of birth control.

The church needs to remember that those involved in the abortion issue are not dirty little sinners who deserve to go to hell. They are humans made in the image of God and who need the help of the church to overcome their problems. We cannot let the sinners and the liberal church members do it for God is robbed of both souls and glory.

#3. Just like in the past, wealthy women would travel for abortions & poor women would resort to deadly Gosnell-style “back alley” clinics & home procedures…

It isn’t just weathy women who get to travel for those comfortable abortion procedures. Although comfortable may not describe the aftermath and what the woman experiences after killing their unborn child. Ms. Evans is being a little over-dramatic here as all backroom abortionists are terrible. Those are not the only options either as some women opt to do it themselves.

Illegal abortion clinics are rarely healthy, sanitary, hygienic or even clean. A woman does take her life in her hands when she visits them. Before judging these women remember you do not know what compelled them to make the decisions they made. A mile walked in their shoes should help any believer understand why they made those decisions.

Understanding does not make the decision or abortion correct or of God. It just helps the believer behave properly and direct them to the right course of action.

#4. In addition, it’s important to understand that the abortion rate is highest in poor communities of color. The rate among black women is almost 5x that of white women and the rate among Hispanic women more than double.

So? That just tells us that the minorities are under a different set of circumstances and beliefs. Or they think differently about abortion than other groups do. It may even tell us something about the men in the lives of those women but more information would be required to get a complete picture of the situation. Or it could give us a little insight in how those groups view families, children and so on.

Or it could tell us that legal abortion clinics are being prejudicial and are targeting those groups to make more money. No matter what, that little information should be enough to help believers to start praying correctly. Keep in mind that there are more people involved who need God’s help than just the unborn child. The mother, father, relatives, friends and so on need God’s intervention in their lives.

#5. Racism, income inequality, lack of access to affordable healthcare & contraception all contribute to the disproportionate rates. Most women who get abortions are already mothers who do so because they feel they cannot afford more children

Ms. Evans’ ending statement is just wrong. The majority of women who have abortions do not come from that group. There is a wide assortment of reasons why women have abortions and that one may just be used to protect themselves from negative reactions from other family members or friends. It is not the lack of affordable healthcare or contraception that is the problem. It is the lack of morals, the lack of concern for God, and the lack of concern to obey God that creates this problem.

Abortion is a spiritual problem not a physical one that can’t buy enough protection.  We are not going to quote Ms. Evans’ last comment. Suffice it to say it was dealt with properly in the article. All babies matter as do all women’s lives matter. So do the lives of all fathers and this includes their spiritual lives as well. We need to go into the issue with compassion, wisdom, discernment, and understanding not with any negative or closed-minded attitudes.

We are not here to judge or condemn but to bring the love of God to those who do not know or have never experienced the true love of God. For them to see Jesus, they need to experience him through those who know him. The church is not here to have the legal system handle spiritual or all issues. Jesus set the example as the Bible told us that they brought their sick, etc. to them and he healed them all (Mt. 12:15, Lk. 4:40, 6:19, NASB) Then Luke 9:1 tells us that he gave us the same powers, we need to learn to heal not cast away, even those who commit abortion.

 

An Issue That Won’t Go Away 6- Some Good news

We are sure you have heard about the latest development in the Dr.Patterson saga. We post it here just in case you haven’t. It is nice to hear that important people have come to his defense and have called the SBC seminary’s board of trustees on their faulty Christian action. We will only quote a few portions of the article without comment as we are supposed to be resting today.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/sbc-southwestern-baptist-theological-seminary-donors-cut-financial-support-demand-investigation-paige-patterson-firing-225582/

A group of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary’s major donors have written to its board of trustees, threatening to discontinue all financial support if “serious wrongs” are not “righted,” with reference to the termination of former president Paige Patterson over his alleged mishandling of and comments on sexual assault victims.

Written by Gary Loveless with 16 co-signatories and addressed to the chair, Kevin Ueckert, and Executive Committee members, the letter seeks to express the donors’ “utter disdain” for the actions taken against Patterson on May 30….

The donors’ letter disputes the executive committee’s process as well as allegations against Patterson, calling his termination an “abuse of power” with a “failure to afford even a modicum of due process.”…

In their letter, the donors tell the board, “Please know that until the serious wrongs against Dr. and Mrs. Patterson are righted, we will be unable to continue our financial support of the Seminary.”

They demand that a 10-member investigative committee, five of whom they would decide, be formed to investigate the actions against Patterson and the process that was involved….

Thomas Hatley, a former chairman of the Southern Baptist Convention’s International Mission Board, has also called for the resignation of the board’s chair Ueckert.

“There has been a failure to enforce the guidelines of Jesus in Matthew 18…

 
 
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