We get notifications when BG posts a response to our words and when we check out those comments, our eyes happened to see this post-The Apostle John Tells a Lie in John 21:25– Then he puts an image up with the old children’s taunt ‘liar, liar pants on fire.’
Accusing someone of lying is a serious charge especially when it is done without evidence. What inspired the title is the fact that someone (BG) who lives 2000 years after the fact thinks they know more than the eyewitness.
This is one reason why we have problems with many archaeologists. They think they can say what people did, how they lived, what they spoke, and so on, just by looking at broken and incomplete artifacts.
Of course, BG gets many things wrong with John 21:25 and makes accusations without a shred of evidence. we will point a few of those things out. Keep in mind that this distortion and leaving out key information is modus operandi for atheists, etc. But first, we will quote the verse from the NASB:
But there are also many other things which Jesus did, which, if they were written in detail, I expect that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.
We put the keywords in bold. Here is the first quote from that article:
John then concludes by saying that there were many other things that Jesus did, and that if they were written down, the world could not contain all the books that would be written.
Do you see the difference, John said if they were written in detail but BG says ‘just written down’ There is a big difference between both statements. Details take up a lot of space and Jesus was always active in helping his creation. Here are a few verses that generalize what Jesus did and if details were added, we believe John is not lying:
Matthew 8:16When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick…
Matthew 14:14And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them, and healed their sick.
Matthew 19:2And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
Matthew 21:14 Then the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them.
Matthew 12:15But when Jesus knew it, He withdrew from there. And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them all.
Mark 6:56Wherever He entered, into villages, cities, or the country, they laid the sick in the marketplaces, and begged Him that they might just touch the hem of His garment. And as many as touched Him were made well.
Mark 3:10For He healed many, so that as many as had afflictions pressed about Him to touch Him.
Luke 4:40When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
Luke 6:19And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed them all.
Luke 5:17Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
Luke 9:11But when the multitudes knew it, they followed Him; and He received them and spoke to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who had need of healing.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. I doubt that anyone could write down in detail everything that Jesus did. Then we have this tidbit:
The famous library in Alexandria, Egypt, in existence during the time of Christ, contained 100,000 to 400,000 books.Yet, according to John, it would take more books than were in all of the world’s libraries to record the mighty works of Jesus.
To be honest, we do not know how many books the Library of Alexandria had. Of course, BG qualifies his claim by saying in Jesus’ time but that quoted number is more of a guess than fact. One article in BAR puts the figure at 1,000,000 (source).
However, the number of books in that library is immaterial. As we know through reading Lionel Cassel’s book LIbraries of the World that libraries existed all over the world at that time. One author wrote
Nearly every city in the ancient Mediterranean world had at least one library. Many upper-class citizens in the ancient world also had private collections of scrolls. The Library of Alexandria even had a rival: the Library of Pergamon, which held a massive collection of scrolls. (source)
How many books were in existence at that time is moot. For if you read John’s words correctly, he said ‘ I expect”. The NIV says “I suppose’ and the KJV says “I suppose’ as well. As you can see, BG excludes keywords to make his point.
John was not sure and made his own estimation. He was not stating a fact thus he cannot be called a liar. But BG does without any evidence to support his conclusion:
I can only conclude that John (or whoever wrote this gospel) was lying.
But the sheer number of books in ancient times is not evidence of anything except that people read, there were scholars that use the library and the ancient world was very literate. It is not proof that John lied as BG cannot prove John’s statement false. He does not know everything that Jesus did.
Nor does he know how much detail needs to be written to record those acts of kindness. His argument is moot because he is lying about what Joh actually said. Then without proof, he makes this audacious claim:
I suspect that an unknown scribe likely inserted this verse, hoping to make Jesus look larger than life
That is a big leap to make without any evidence whatsoever but then atheists have been making this claim for decades, if not generations. Josephus is a victim and scholars have been saying a passage in his works is said to be a forgery inserted by Christians at a later date. Yet, they have failed to provide any evidence to support their claim of forgery.
John did not lie, God did not lie. We can have confidence in God’s word that we are getting the whole truth. Atheists look for any tidbit they can turn into the justification that the Bible and Christianity are wrong.
They are not wrong and the lies come from the atheists as they exclude keywords that ruin their opposing views of God’s word.