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The Mormon Dilemma

04 Apr

After spending some time interacting with Mormons on the Walter Martin Forum I got tired of their dodging important issues. The Mormons there said that they accept the KJV Bible, not just the Smith translated version, and read it a lot. They do quote from it a lot as well.But they have a problem. if they accept that non-Mormon version then they have a serious conflict.

The Mormons state that Smith claimed to have been visited by and talked to God the father in his initial call to restore the ‘true’ church. Well the KJV and other English versions of the Bible have Moses and God talking about the former being able to see God physically. God then tells Moses that no one can see him or they would die.  God was very clear on this yet Joseph Smith makes his astounding claim and lived to tell about it.

The dilemma is since the Mormons accept the non-Mormon KJV Bible they are faced with either God lying and no one will die if they see him or Smith lying about his encounter with God. If God lied then the god the Mormons serve is a sinner in need of a savior and disqualifies himself as god. If Smith lied then Mormonism is founded upon a lie and is not a valid church or alternative religion.The Mormons cannot have it both ways, one or the other had to lie.No one can claim that the KJV was mistranslated for all ancient mss. support God’s side and none support Smith and there are no ancient alternative mss. even coming close to Smith’s ideas

So the Mormons face a difficult problem, they are either serving a false god, one who will lie to them,  or their founder lied to them and they have no god to serve.

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7 responses to “The Mormon Dilemma

  1. crossroman

    April 4, 2017 at 9:55 am

    Mormons are deceitful because they claim that the bible is the authority – right up until you push them on a certain point when suddenly the book of Mormon becomes the superior authority. I also had an understanding that there were certain errors in the book of Mormon which are also found in the A.V?

     
    • theologyarchaeology

      April 6, 2017 at 4:08 am

      can you be more specific about those errors or provide a link to them so we could take a look and comment on them?

       
      • crossroman

        April 6, 2017 at 7:00 am

        Sorry, only that this has been my experience of them at the door.

         
      • crossroman

        April 6, 2017 at 7:10 am

        I see, you mean the A.V. reference – No, it was a while ago so without digging into it you may have to consider it as rumour 🙂 It is just one of those things you come across along the way that stick in your mind. You would probably have to do a lot of reading of their book to pick up on similarities – there is maybe one aspect where the AV is perhaps the only version that says “sin is the transgression of the law” wheaeras other versions put “sin is lawlessness”. You may find that in the book of Mormon (or you may not). Sorry I cannot help further at this stage.

         
        • theologyarchaeology

          April 6, 2017 at 8:11 am

          No worries. The response I got from posting the above article on Martin’s forum was just as evasive as always by the Mormons there.

           
          • crossroman

            April 6, 2017 at 8:16 am

            I guess the “If I or an angel from heaven deliver any other gospel..” is relevant here.

             
  2. theologyarchaeology

    April 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    Yes very relevant as the angel moroni brought a vastly different gospel than the one Paul, the disciples and Jesus brought

     
 
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