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Discussing Archaeological Issues & The Bible

21 Feb

The quotes we are using today come from different threads in the archaeology forum on CARM. We will provide links to each thread that we quote from so you can see the whole discussion and make up your own minds about what we are about to say

#1. http://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/secular/general-secular-and-apologetic-topics/archaeology/4337908-gobekli-tepe

The ruins are estimated to be 12,000 year old. This site may wind up causing a rewrite of some history books.

Ancient structures like Gobekli Tepe cause problems for people, especially Christians, because those who do the dating, do not allow for the interruption of the global flood. Of course the secular dating systems are off, including the pottery one because there are just too many problems involved with each one. We won’t go into those problems here but one example is the fact that no one knows how an artifact was placed where it was found. Assumption is not a good thing no matter how scientists use it. Then in the case of buildings, like Gobekli Tepe, there is just too much information lost to make a proper identification of its purpose and design.

Most archaeologists go for the temple explanation but everything from the past cannot be a temple, a goddess or cult site. It is unrealistic to even propose such ideas when nothing is known about the discovery. The words ‘I don’t know’ are better than lying or misrepresenting a discovery.

#2. http://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/secular/general-secular-and-apologetic-topics/archaeology/73164-new-reserch

We need to be cautious. We cannot extrapolate from this evidence that literacy was commonplace.

Neither can we to do to say that illiteracy was the norm. The evidence shows that the ancient world was very literate despite what some scholars claim in their studies and comments. We have libraries full of thousands of works, we have archives filled with business, government and legal activities and we have myriads of pottery with writing on them by common folk. Far too many to be written by a handful of scribes some scholars say existed at that time. The supply of scribes would not be great enough to (even by ancient population estimates) handle the writing tasks credited to them. To say that the ancient world was illiterate is simply being an ostrich and sticking ones head into the sand.

We have thousands upon thousands of public ancient monuments so if the ancient world was illiterate, who were they writing these monuments to? No those who champion an illiterate past do so in error.

Christopher Rollston advises caution.

Christopher Rollston may be an expert in his field but he does not bring the truth nor is he guided by the spirit of truth. We have talked to him in the past and he is not providing anyone with a clear picture of the past.

It is that celebrating minutiae that I have come to expect from Christians. Remember all of the commotion a few years ago when a chunk of pottery was found with the name ‘David’ on it, and suddenly we had proof that the bible was correct?

Non Christians distort what believers claim and say so we must be careful in our assessment of artifacts and discoveries. With that said, the name David on a piece of pottery may not prove King David but if it dates to the 10th century, then it confirms that the name David was used at that time so the Bible is shown to be correct because it used a name that was used in the time period its pages recorded. Also non Christians will reject any evidence supporting the Bible but that is because they are deceived an influenced by evil.

#3. http://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/secular/general-secular-and-apologetic-topics/archaeology/60894-flood-myth

According to archaeological investigations

Unbelievers like appealing to archaeology and other sciences because in most cases those fields tell them what they want to hear. They already know that archaeology is limited but that limitation supports the unbelievers desire and point of view so they will ignore the weaknesses of those research fields and use the information provided for their own benefit. They will also dismiss the results from the same research fields when those investigation support the Bible.Hypocrisy is great in the unbelieving world. The believer cannot elevate archaeology or other research fields above the Bible and think that those areas of study know more than God or the Bible. They would be elevating deception and blindness above the truth and that would be wrong.

Unbelievers will misuse historical information deceptively, you must be careful and know the topic you are discussing or you could have your faith hurt by what the unbeliever says.

There are over 500 flood legends in over 200 different lands. Do you think all of those people got it from Gilgamesh?

The person who asked this question asked the right one. Of course they did not get their legends from the Babylonians or Gilgamesh.They got them from their memories after being told about the flood by Noah and his family. As they strayed from God so did their memories and their unbelief led them to alter the truth and create fictitious flood legends. we find them all over the world because the memory of the flood was carried with the people as they dispersed from Babel. There is no other answer for why so many flood myths exist in the ancient world.

#4. http://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/secular/general-secular-and-apologetic-topics/archaeology/4101586-ancient-but-local-chinese-flood

Some Chinese geologists claim evidence for an ancient flood of the Yellow River.
Claim is a large landslip in a narrow gorge blocked the river, and created a very large lake. Flood resulted when the blockage eroded and the water was released in large flood.
Major difference is that floodwaters remained and resulting mud and sediment had to be drained.

It may just be a local flood. We can’t be certain because we do not know what the evidence for a global flood looks like or where it is to be found. There has only been one global flood and probably hundreds of thousands of local ones so any evidence for Noah’s deluge will be distorted, altered, wiped out and so on.it is hard to find evidence for something when natural disasters, wars, construction, traveling and other activities have gone over the evidence repeatedly for thousands of years.

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3 responses to “Discussing Archaeological Issues & The Bible

  1. Bijbelvorsers

    February 23, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    We do know CARM as the organisation which does everything to break down the real Christians and does everything to give false information about real or non-trinitarian Christians. So we wonder how much a person could rely on information given at one of their forums.

    Like you write “The words ‘I don’t know’ are better than lying or misrepresenting a discovery.” though you must be careful by saying “Unbelievers will misuse historical information deceptively,” Not all those who do not believe in a god or The God would systematically try to give their own view by forcing a anti-religious viewpoint. Several archaeologist are able to give a neutral or objective view on the findings they discovered. There have also already been many archaeologists and geologists which where first atheists who have become believers in God, and several also who have become believers in Jesus Christ the Messiah, because of their years of intensive study and findings, being in accordance with the Holy Scripture.

     
    • theologyarchaeology

      February 23, 2017 at 11:16 pm

      Well, the information I used was more for a jumping off spot to talk about different issues. I did not use them as a scholarly reference point.

      They try to give a neutral viewpoint but when they are not believers how neutral is that viewpoint? I also know many believers will misrepresent artifacts and discoveries for their own purposes as well so we always need to be careful of the information we are reading and double-check what is said.

      The archaeologists and geologists I usually run into have not made that decision. I am glad some have.

       

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