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The Things Unbelievers Say

01 Jul

I should also include the words, ‘alternative believers’ in the title but then the title would be too wordy. This post is just to show you examples of what atheist, feminists and alternative believers say to me when I join in their discussions. I have been banned from some of these because while not being offensive I was not telling the owners of the websites what they wanted to hear.

First up are two quotes from Roll to Disbelieve:

There is no proof whatsoever that there is such a thing as “sin nature,” and I’ll thank you to take your preaching elsewhere. This is not a Christian blog, so we are not under any obligation to honor your demands that we be silent.

Alas, ideology does encourage abuse. Did you not read my posts on the Duggars’ coverup and abuse of those little girls? Their ideology creates a vacuum that allows predators and abusers right through the front door. That’s the whole gist of my blog posts about the Duggars. If you can’t be bothered to read them, that’s not my problem.

“The right Christian response” appears to be demanding silence of those who condemn in no uncertain terms the abuse and predation of children. No thanks. Go somewhere else.

So while the aforementioned groups declare they want discussion, are tolerant to other viewpoints and state that they have an open mind, their words and actions say something altogether different. How can any believer state their views if they are told to go somewhere else. How can believers participate in discussions if their views must be altered before being accepted by those who do not believe?

By the way, it’s downright disgusting to hear someone claiming moral high ground say that sexual abuse is less harmful because the victims didn’t know it. I suppose by your illogic, one could Roofie a woman and rape her and it wouldn’t be that bad since she was unconscious.

UGH. Yeah, you’re gone.

The other problem believers face is the fact that they are punished for the interpretations and eisegesis done by those of those aforementioned groups.  I never said any such thing but when you are talking to hate-filled people they will distort what you say and claim you said something you didn’t then turn around and ban you for something you did not do.  You will not find honesty or justice among those groups of people mentioned above.

The next quote comes from Interfaith Encounters:

I didn’t realize that “archaeologist” was actually God’s Discus login. Or are you and God just such good friends that you can speak for God?

The members of those 3 groups just will not accept the fact that God uses people to bring his truthful message to those who do not believe.  They reject believers’ arguments because they were not presented to the members of those groups personally by God and in a gift wrapped box or placed upon a silver tray.

I cleaned up my Disgus accounts and participated in several discussions on Exploring Our Matrix in the Same Sex and Opposite Sex Divorce post:

Despite your profound ignorance on all of these subjects, this IS a secular country – it always WAS and always WILL BE. There WILL be freedom and equal rights for all citizens and it WILL stay that way. Society is marching on and it’s leaving people like you behind. YOUR kind is loosing and will KEEP loosing. If you don’t like it, then find some desert island to settle on and form your own government there and take ALL YOUR FRIENDS WITH YOU.

I’m done engaging you. I’m out.

Dealing with anger and hatred becomes a way of life for the believer as unrepentant people love their darkness. They really do not want discussion or opposing viewpoints because those remind them of how wrong they are.

Continuing with the Explore Our Matrix comments, these come form the owner himself, and I have talked a lot about him over the years:

You blind leader of the blind. You strain out a galma and swallow a gamla!

Strange words from an alternative believer who left the truth to follow deception and lies. I can’t find the other ones he said t me but they are real winners.

Moving on to the website Christianity is changing we have the following

Christianity is totally changing

and

Christianity is the Church, and the Church are people. When people’s views are changing, the Church is changing, and Christianity is changing.

When told that they were wrong and that it is not Christianity that is changing but people moving away from Jesus and the truth, they either stopped talking with me or banned me. I do not remember which is which.  Christianity does not change even though people’s views about the faith do change or what they believe or accept change. God does not change, his word does not change, Jesus does not change thus Christianity does not change. The truth is the truth for all time.

Then at the God of Evolution website we have these words:

Not overwhelming as those passages are not giving permission to us to use secular science to overturn Genesis 1.

If by “secular science,” you mean “objective science,” then yes, that’s what I’m talking about. God created the natural world, so an objective look at the evidence it contains will yield truth. “Objective science,” of course, could be contrasted with “science with blinders on,” which is the type of science preferred by young-earth creationism proponents.

And no one is “overturning” Genesis 1. We just disagree with your modern, hyper-literalist interpretation of Genesis 1.

Under your logic, those slave owners who used the Bible to justify owning another human being were correct and following Jesus.

Um…how? Or is this just some creative modification of Godwin’s law?

Mine are indented there and provide a little context. I was responding to his providing a couple of scriptures to justify his use of the idea of a ‘book of nature’ and to support his following sinful scientists to the evolutionary theory. He quoted:

How about Job 12:7-8:

“But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you.”

Sounds like biology and geology to me. Or do you interpret this hyper-literally as well, which would have believers literally talkin g to rocks and hamsters like insane people?

There’s also astronomy in Psalm 19, which talks about the night skies “pouring forth speech” and “revealing knowledge.”

Maybe not overwhelming, but pretty impressive for writings that predate anything resembling modern science by several thousand years.

There is no ‘book of nature’ unless you use the existence of fossils and animals as evidence for God’s speaking and their coming into existence. The supposed book of nature he alludes to has its ‘information’ dictated to it. The information is not extracted from it. The following quote is in response to my words that objectivity is impossible:

Objectivity is possible because God is a rational, logical being who gifted us with rational, logical minds. If you really believed the corruption of sin is so far-reaching and pervasive, you would have no reason to trust that those who have translated the Bible for you have done so correctly, or that your own imperfect, evil mind is interpreting it the way God intended.

And I guess I’ve got news for you, but your interpretation of scripture is just that: an interpretation. Not an obvious “plain-reading” of the Bible, but an attempt by man to understand the words of God. And not an altogether good attempt, I might add:

I guess I need to quote my words to make this more understandable

GOE: If by “secular science,” you mean “objective science,” then yes, that’s what I’m talking about.”

In his book Did God Have A Wife, both in his introduction and on about page 83 or so, William Dever pointed out that there is no such thing as ‘objectivity’.

God taught it first though, when he said, you are either for me or against me (Mt. 12:30)

There is no such thing as ‘objective science’ for science is not immune to evil’s influence, corruption or sin and if the people involved in that field have not repented of their sins then they are not of God or following his ways thus you only have evil science producing what evil wants.

YEC may have its faults but it i snot science with blinders on because they follow God an dare on his side.

Your disagreeance with God’s word means you are not going with the truth but seek the lies evil produces.

GOE: “Um…how?”

You take out of context passages of scripture and use them to support your sinful desires, in this case it would be pursuit of secular science and its alternative ideas.

God said to ‘hear MY words’ he did not say ‘hear the words of secular science’

But as you see, the members of those groups simply make God after their own image and have him seem to support their ideology or thinking. They also will not listen when you point out the fact that secular science is under the influence and command of evil. They do not recognize that area of research is part of the old creature Jesus came to redeem.

Right. So you’ve stopped engaging inin any sort of real discussion discussion, and have commenced ad hominem attacks about me, my motivations and my faith, which are based on nothing but your own self-righteous assurances that you are right and cannot possibly be wrong, therefore, everyone else who disagrees with you is wrong.

When you can explain the starlight problem, and convincingly respond to the theological questions in the link presented in my previous post, maybe we’ll talk.

And because I pointed out some errors in his thinking I get this response and as you see my words he is addressing you will see I did no such thing

You forget that God promised to preserve his word, thus he can protect biblical translators whereas secular scientists have no such protection as they do not even believe God exists.

Which begs the question, why are you following the words of those who deny the very existence of the God you claim to believe in and worship?

I do not follow interpretation, I follow the HS to the truth while you make God after your image in order to justify your disobedience his instructions and revelation

I have always found it difficult to be tactful.

As I said to him, I will go through his ten questions I just haven’t decided if I will do it here or there. As I have pointed out in other posts, you cannot have a real discussion with any of the members of the 3 groups UNLESS those members are sincere, honest and seriously considering accepting Jesus as their savior. The alternative believers are probably the most difficult group to discuss with as their fate is basically sealed

For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [d]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often [e]falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close [f]to being cursed, and [g]it ends up being burned. (Heb. 6)

They cannot return to God and salvation thus they have no interest in the truth or being honest.

The real key though to discussing with those groups is sincere prayer. Those prayers include making the other person receptive as well as asking God to teach you the truth as well as providing you with wisdom, understanding to be able to engage the unbeliever correctly and spiritually. There are other elements to pray for as well like compassion, humbleness and so on.

I am off to take a break now then look at those 10 questions found at

http://www.godofevolution.com/10-theological-questions-no-young-earth-creationist-can-answer/

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