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Much To Talk About- 136

12 Jun

#1. Adam Is Adamhttp://www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2015/06/adams-fall-and-early-christian-notions-of-sin/

In contemporary debates over the historicity and theological significance of Adam we would do well to distinguish the Adam of Genesis, the Adam of Paul, and the Adam of Augustine. We must certainly avoid reading Augustine’s Adam back into Genesis as if that is our only interpretive option.

It is not a long article but it erroneous in many ways. First, there is only one version of Adam, the truthful one and you cannot count Augustine’s words as being on par with Paul’s or Moses. Augustine was never inspired and we can do what we want with his words. Paul’s and Moses’, on the other hand, had their words inspired and recorded in the Bible and we cannot do with them as we want.

We actually need help from the HS to fully understand what they are talking about.

Paul, as we now see clearly, embellishes the Adam story in ways that certainly stretch the “authorial intent” of the writer(s) of Genesis. He saw things in the story—or maybe read them into the story—that nobody else had seen.

Alternative believers like to say things like that quote but Paul would not be inspired or writing the truth if he embellished or stretched or read into the story his own ideas.  If Paul did then we would be missing a great deal of information from God about sin and Christ’s actions but alternative believers just do not get this fact as they seek to make Adam some caricature or fable instead of the actual historical person he was.

Did Adam do something that changed him in ways that were passed on to his descendants? Are we now powerless to resist temptation? Or are we still free to not sin, and live perfect lives, as the Genesis story suggests was the case for Adam?

Yes Adam did something. He opened the door to let sin, corruption and evil into a perfect world and we are all affected by this because he sinned though we are not punished for his sins. We are punished for our own choices, including dismissing the historical Adam and Eve.  We have free choice but it is very difficult to not sin and one would really have to be holy to accomplish that feat and no Genesis does not suggest that we can lead perfect lives. Adam and Eve had perfect lives because they had not sinned yet and evil had no opening into this world.

#2. Discretion Is A Keyhttps://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-invasion-of-the-idiots/

“Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community. Then they were quickly silenced, but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It’s the invasion of the idiots.” (Trans. T. Bolin).

How very true.  With one correction: the idiots have the right to speak but they should have no expectation that anyone with sense will listen to them much less take them seriously.  The idiots have as much right to be heard as CNN and the Huffington Post and Fox News and NBC and ABC and CBS and the Discovery Channel and the History Channel.  But like those outlets of infotainment, they have no right to be taken seriously when they speak about matters like theology or history or exegesis or archaeology.

Indeed, the truth is, only idiots heed idiots.  So let them.  Those who wish to know better will seek to know better and those who are satisfied with rank ignorance, stupidity, and misinformation will never care for the truth any more than a person who watches the Naked Archaeologist really cares about the facts.  Their ignorance is invincible.  They should be left to it.  To rot in the swampy stew of their own putrid mindlessness.

I know what they are saying but their approach seems to be off as they observe the new-found freedom so many people have obtained with the advent of computer technology. Instead of calling them idiots, maybe they should take the time to understand why this phenomenon is taking place and then instead of insulting people take the correct steps to helping solve the problem.

Why are there so many people mouthing off over the internet? because they have decided to ignore life’s lessons like morality, and using discretion. Maybe they were not even taught those items, we cannot know for sure but one thing we do know, is that people get a false sense of courage when they have a place of security to hide behind.

Wives and girlfriends do it as they feel that they are safe to say anything they want as their boyfriends and husbands will protect them. it isn’t just happening over the internet, it happens everywhere.  People have lost the sense of discretion and just let loose because ‘they can’. The Bible warns us about our tongues as James says:

So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things.

See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our [c]life, and is set on fire by [d]hell. (ch. 3)

People need to learn how to control themselves as that the right to free speech doe snot mean one has to exercise that right each and every time they encounter someone. Free speech also means one has the right and freedom to remain silent. We need to think first, speak second.

#3. Where Will We Get Our Instructions For Morality If...– http://www.patheos.com/blogs/teachingnonviolentatonement/2015/06/why-jesus-was-theologically-irresponsible/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=exploringourmatrix&ref_post=blogroll

When we use the Bible as a means to accuse others of immorality, we have turned the Bible into a satanic idol.

…we cannot use the Bible to point out right and wrong and what is moral or immoral. Where will we go to get such instructions if we cannot use the Bible for there is no other book that has authority like the Bible, inspiration like the Bible, inerrant like the Bible and so on.

The atheists are right. God can seem like a violent jerk. And it’s not just the Old Testament where God seems to demand sacrificial violence against Israel’s enemies. God is often portrayed as a pretty big jerk in the New Testament, too.

According to whose standard are they coming to that conclusion? Why would we listen to atheists who sin on a daily basis and are not caring if they go to hell or not? Their ideas of jerkdom, justice and other important matters are very skewed as well as subjective and fallible so why would anyone listen to people who do not believe God exists?

Was Jesus theologically irresponsible? He took responsibility to interpret his scriptures through the lens of God’s radical, nonviolent, merciful love. And for that, many accused him of being an irresponsible transgressor.

Jesus didn’t interpret the Bible. He was bringing the truth to a world that was saturated with interpretation and false ideas about what God wanted and said in the OT. The problem with the idea that God had radical nonviolent love is misleading because it was not radical, but the same love in the NT as was found in the Old and no one removed corporal punishment, discipline or other ‘violent acts’ from the Christian life.

Remember Jesus did not rebuke Peter for owning a sword nor told him to leave it at home. The problem that we have today is the same as it was in Jesus’ day– too many people trying to put their spin on the Bible. They also ignore and dismiss the truth in favor of their pet theologies just like the pharisees.

#4. Everybody Seems To Hate Everybodyhttp://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/5-reasons-you-should-flee-calvinism-immediately/

You’ll have more time to enjoy life because you’ll be less busy policing the theology of others.

Yet he spends his time policing Calvinists in that article and being Calvinistic by his writing of that piece.

You’ll begin to appreciate the diversity that exists in the body of Christ.

Depends upon what he means by diversity. if he means that people are hands, feet, torsos and heads of the body then okay we may miss that diversity but if he means sexual preference, false teaching and other non-biblical ideas then no, we are not missing out on anything.  That author forgets that we have the right to examine what others believe before extending the hand of friendship and inviting them into the fellowship of believers.

We also a right to examine their fruits to see if they are of God or not. Being Christian does not mean we ignore God’s rules and duties.

You’ll instantly make the gospel more attractive to nonbelievers.

By allowing them to continue to practice their sin?  Sorry but that does not make the gospel more attractive but presents a different gospel than the one Jesus and the disciples brought. The gospel is attractive enough as it is–believe on Jesus, repent and be freed from sin and get eternal life. If that i snot attractive enough then nothing else is.

The cross will appear more beautiful.

See above and  why taint the cross with lies and misrepresentations then ruin Jesus’ life, teaching and sacrifice by doing so? The cross is beautiful as it is, we do not need to compromise its beauty by allowing for false teaching to discolor it and what was done by Jesus.

You’ll get to go back to enjoying NOOMA videos.

That is just a dumb thing to say and undermines the credibility of that author. he already taught nothing from Jesus in his previous 4 points thus we can rest assured that ignoring his ‘advice’ will not have adverse affects on the rest of us. if you do not like Calvin, and I am not a Calvinist, then find the truth and go with that over his interpretations.

#5. Evangelism In The Workplace http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/2015/06/10-reasons-its-wrong-to-evangelize-in-the-workplace/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=exploringourmatrix&ref_post=blogroll

Today’s main event: Evangelism in the Workplace: Is Sharing Your Faith Ever Appropriate?

My response is, if Jesus leads you to witness at the work place then you follow his lead. But if it is done because of pressure from your church or pastor then I would say don’t do it because pressuring people to witness leads to failure and embarrassment.

Let’s look at it this way: If you are a Christian evangelizing in the workplace, you are:

We will look at those 10 points but keep in mind those points are their ideas and do not come from God.

1. A bad employee

Yes and no but not for those people’s reasons.One must ask why are they afraid of Christians witnessing at work? If it doe snot take away from doing your job then you would not be a bad employee but remember if you do witness at work, then you better make sure your work ethic and behavior are up to God’s standards for you will be watched to see if you obey what you believe or not. You will also be watched to see if you make excuses for your disobeying what you believe.

2. Violating Jesus’ Great Commandment

Actually it doesn’t but there is more:

Trying to convert a coworker isn’t loving them; it’s disrespecting them, since it’s asserting that you know better than they do what’s best for them.

How is warning someone about their pending destruction ‘not loving them’? How is it disrespecting them? The last sentence is just ridiculous and speaking to others about Christ is not the same as making decisions for them. Those people are a little confused on what witnessing is. There thinking is all wrong but it is clear to see that they do not like seeing Christians tell others about Jesus.

3. Violating Jesus’ Great Commandment again.

And again,k it actually is not. Then like the last point, there is more:

The odds are outstanding that once a co-worker becomes aware that you’re itching to evangelize them, they’ll start avoiding you like the plague. And that guarantees that you will fall out of relationship with them. And that means that you will no longer be able to in any real way love them, since you can’t love someone with whom you have no relationship at all. Thus did you blantantly violate the Great Commandment.

That is a wild leap to a conclusion which demonstrates how little those authors know about loving someone.  It is a possibility that your co-workers will be scared off because your only interest in them is to save their souls so Christians should do what Jesus did–be their friend. be there when they need help, when they are confused, or cover for one of their mistakes and so on.  The way to be a friend is endless and does not include supporting their sins or participating in them

As I said those authors do not know what loving them means as one can love their co-worker by rescuing them from potential injury or death even if they are scared off by your over-zealousness. There are ways to love your co-workers even if they are scared off but those ways need to be implemented with genuine feelings and caring and not with ulterior motives.

4. Being wildly condescending

That is just those author’s interpretation of evangelizing someone. it ignores God’s direction and influence as well as not allowing for Christians to make mistakes and learning from them. Christians need to evangelize, even badly, in order to learn how to do it correctly and with Jesus’ love and caring.

5. Out of order

Really? Only when asked? I did not see that instruction in the Bible. How will your co-workers know that you are a believer in Christ unless you tell them first? They may ask but then why would they? No we do not need to wait for a question because the co-worker may never ask a question then an opportunity could be lost

6. Wasting your time

Really? Since when is it a waste of time to evangelize? it is unrealistic to think that successful evangelism comes only when a person repents of their sins BUT that is NOT the only part of evangelism. There are two other parts that come before the harvesting of a soul. They are, one, planting a seed and, two, watering the seed, thus if a co-worker does not make a decision for Christ then that refusal does not mean the witnessing was a failure.

Anything can still take place and those authors are selling god short if he has to have a yes decision every time one of his followers witnesses to an unbeliever. Those authors’ idea of failure is misguided and very wrong.

7. Being exceptionally anachronistic

Again, just wrong and I should say very wrong as those authors do not realize that even in the West, many people have still not heard about Christ nor have they been presented with the gospel or told about Jesus and his love. When you read their explanations, one gets the idea that those authors are against witnessing to others and are working for Satan not Christ.

8. Ego tripping

Wow, a first. I had never heard that complaint before about those who witness but then I do not hang around people who complain about witnessing. Those authors are wrong of course, as telling others the truth is not an ego trip nor is it a power trip or whatever else they want to label it. Witnessing is called being obedient, not an ego rush and those authors need to learn not to place their ideas upon God’s instructions.

9. Being emotionally dishonest

How do those authors know that? Do they read minds or do they just simply extrapolate one or two bad Christians thinking to the whole realm of Christendom. Who says that the person doing the witnessing is not listening to the other person? The audacity of those authors to place their own ideas on other human beings who most likely innocent of such charges. Just because those authors think it, doesn’t mean that is what is actually being done.

10. Putting yourself ahead of God

How is it putting yourself ahead of God when one is obeying his instructions? Again there is more:

Bringing people to God is God’s job, not yours. God told you what your job is: to love others. Do your job, well-meaning Christian friend, and stop interfering with God’s.

Paul answers those ideas with the following words;

How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher? (Rom. 10:14)

God has chosen to use people to tell others about Jesus so they are doing their job and not interfering with him. Those authors must have had several bad experiences with those who witness or they just hate God or something like that to be so angry and wrong about whose duty it is to witness to and help others find Jesus.

Again, if one wants to witness at work and live like Jesus wants as well as weeded out any ulterior motives for their actions and so on then there is no problem witnessing to workplace co-workers. The key is to make sure your life is in line with what Jesus taught, who taught more than love others and showed that to love others, you warn them of the coming destruction and tell them the truth.

#6. I have been meaning to mention this

You may have noticed that i have stopped putting NASB after many of the scriptures I quote. That is because unless otherwise noted, all bible quotes will be from the NASB. i still think that the NIV 1984, the KJV and the NASB are the three best versions to use to read God’s actual words, I am just cutting down on a notation. The notation will appear when I use a different translation than the NASB

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