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Much To Talk About- 95

01 Feb

I am working on another series right now, doing some review and study before writing so I will defer to this format this time out even though I have used it frequently recently.

#1. Someone Doesn’t Understand The Concept Of Churchhttps://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/so-who-really-likes-it-when-churches-think-football-is-important-enough-to-see-services-cancelled/

Jim West is blowing a few blood vessels in his forehead over this issue, vessels that I think he cannot afford to lose as he does this quite often. he actually devoted a few articles to this topic, Why? Probably because he doesn’t understand what church is all about. I am not in favor of cancelling church services myself but I understand why pastors do it– people are just too distracted to focus on worship, God and community.

If you want a biblical example to use as evidence that this procedure is okay, just turn to the passage where Jesus feeds the multitudes and see he canceled service to feed the people. Jesus knew that when people are distracted, they won’t be listening to him so why pursue a sermon when their minds are far away. I do not recommend using this example for every minor event that arises in daily life but we need to have a broader understanding of what is the church.

There is no command in the Bible for Christians to meet twice weekly in a special building. The closest we come are the words, ‘do not forsake the gathering together’ (slight paraphrase). Christians are gathering together if they meet to watch big games and they act like Christians not rabid sinful sports fanatics. Christian teaching and behavior apply to sports activities.

We can use the game as an evangelistic tool or a chance to get to know our non-believing neighbors and learn about their needs and problems. These people may never darken the door of a church but they will meet for social events and they will be more receptive to Christ and his ways if those are presented correctly. A biblical example for this would be Jesus meeting with Zachias.

Those people who think that every Christian activity must be focused around the church building or service are missing out on the real church experience. Here are a few of West’s links to the issue:

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/and-another-2/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/another/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/baal-takes-a-new-form/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/more-churches-doing-the-irresponsible/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/lets-rearrange-the-things-of-god-to-please-people/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/31/more-churches-where-football-matters-more-than-worship/

https://zwingliusredivivus.wordpress.com/2015/01/30/another-church-cancels-worship-because-they-think-a-ballgame-means-more/

West is like the owner of formerly fundie. They think that Christianity must be done their way or it isn’t correct.  I really think West has lost it because he focuses too much on the actions of others, judging and condemning them and fails to see his own sins.  If West were a true Christian his words might mean something but he isn’t and they don’t.

#2. Destroying Historyhttp://www.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/2015/01/handling-ancient-artifacts.html

The handling of mummy masks by Josh McDowell, allegedly in the interest of getting his hands (literally) on a first-century copy of Mark and perhaps other New Testament texts, has been getting a lot of attention. Some – including me at one point – have missed exactly what he said as a result of not watching the video the entire way through

There really has been a sort of uproar in the academic community about McDowell’s and other scholars’ activities related to mummy masks and a possibly very old biblical texts. I will say texts, or a better word is fragments, because the word manuscript(s) implies a large body of writing and so far they are not getting that.  Craig Evans is involved in this and one would think he would be more hesitant concerning the dating of that fragment because he knows better.
Everyone is going to have an opinion about how they are getting these texts and those who oppose the destruction of the masks must remember that archaeology destroys a lot of ancient work as well. So if we are not to destroy certain pieces then we must give up doing archaeology.  The best that can come from these fragments is that they will prove that no editing has been done throughout the years or if their has been editing, the errors will be easier to fix, assuming that these ancient texts were written correctly in the first place.
Maybe the reason they were used to make the mask was because there were mistakes in the passages and no good for anyone to read. It is hard to say for we do not find any written instructions filling us in on their use. A more pragmatic mind is needed here on this issue but those who oppose this destruction really are those who are against the Bible, God and learning the truth.
Creepy Medical Supplies Found Amid Wreckage Of Pirate Blackbeard’s Ship
Seriously? Creepy? Not in your life but then I guess the owners of Huffington Post are more interested in getting clicks than telling the truth.
Ahoy! Archaeologists excavating pirate Blackbeard’s sunken ship, named Queen Anne’s Revenge, recently unearthed from the wreckage various medical devices–and some of them look pretty darn terrifying.
I do not see one terrifying or creepy item in those photos. Some people really do not have a realistic mindset.What these photos tell me is that medical tools have not really changed over the centuries and that other eras were modern and using modern medical science to meet the medical needs of the people at that time.

Some astronomers call it “God’s Hand.” Others say it looks like the gaping mouth of a gigantic celestial creature.

Featured in a new image taken by the European Southern Observatory’s Very Large Telescope, a small cloud of gas and dust dubbed CG4 is nothing short of stunning. Just check it out below.

The image of the so-called “cometary globule” — which lies some 1,300 light years from Earth — shows a close-up of the space cloud’s head, and was released by ESO on Jan. 28. Although the globule shines bright in the image, it’s a faint object in reality and, therefore, difficult to detect.

I will just let you look at it and enjoy God’s glory.

#5. Evolution Is Confusedhttp://au.ibtimes.com/evolution-humans-ancient-human-fossil-found-taiwan-complicates-picture-1416639

An ancient fossil of a human ancestor was found by fishermen off the coast of Taiwan. The discovery brought out the suggestion that the fossil belonged to an unknown lineage of ancient humans. It is the first discovery of hominin remains that has been found in Taiwan.

Evolutionists are unprepared for the discoveries they make and their theory is sent into crisis mode every time a discovery doesn’t fit in with their preconceived theory. Nor can they see how false their theory is because these discoveries bring evidence explicitly showing them they are wrong.  People who are willfully deceived are the hardest to convince and bring to the truth

#6. Ussher http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2015/01/31/how-chronologists-moved-from-ancient-text-to-ancient-earth/

“Moreover, once Ussher’s ideas are understood in the context of his own time, their superficial similarity to modern creationist ideas of a ‘Young Earth’ is transformed into a stark contrast. The creationists, unlike Ussher, are out on a limb, and a precarious one at that.”

Over at the discussion forum we had a student of Ussher’s participate for awhile. I had to ban him because he crossed too many boundaries and would not reign himself in. The problem he had, is the problem so many believers have in that they think they can assume that Ussher was correct and that we can date the actual creation.

I am a YEC but I do not dare to date when God created and their are many reasons for thast position. One, God does not give us all the information we need to date his work because when is not important. Two, there is no biblical command to use the genealogies to date history. Three, we believers need to focus upon God and the lessons he wants us to learn from his creative act.

I really would like to see organizations like AIG get off the Ussher bandwagon and push those lessons instead of a fallible human’s efforts to do something we cannot do. We cannot present Ussher’s or anyone’s dates for the creation as truth or even the truth for we cannot verify their findings and they are NOT scripture or inspired so errors will be found in them and in Ussher’s work, his problem is the 400 years of slavery. Did they start when Joseph first went to Egypt as a slave or after Joseph died? If after he died then Ussher omitted 90 years or so from his calculations.

God didn’t give us definite time markers to use and the scripture quoted by that banned discussion member didn’t say what he wanted them to say so there is a problem with dating the creative act–we are missing vital information.  The age of the earth is not important to the Christian life as long as we stay within a YEC boundary. Old earth did not happen and that is th etruth we need to stick with, not the supposed day of creation.

#7 Problems With Viewing God’s Actshttp://www.christianpost.com/news/faith-crashers-why-does-god-kill-people-in-the-old-testament-132932/

There is a growing refrain among non-theists: reading the Bible made me an atheist. Commonly, they point to difficult to understand Old Testament passages, including ones where God allows the death and destruction of humanity as He did with the flood in Genesis and bloody wars against the Canaanites detailed in Deuteronomy.

“Contemporary Christians have had a difficult time trying to come to grips with what they find in the Old Testament, especially those narratives that recount the destruction of whole groups of people by the acts of God,” said Thomas Howe, a professor of Bible and Biblical Languages at Southern Evangelical Seminary in Matthews, North Carolina. “Non-Christians capitalize on this and attempt to undermine our faith by calling into question either the goodness of God or even His existence.”

I will probably deal with this topic and article more fully later in the week but the thing is God knows what he is doing and we need to trust him to provide us the answers to his specific acts when we are ready to handle them.  We may not understand why God did such things, but we should not be using the definitions and parameters of the secular world as our guide to scripture and God’s actions.

Part of the confusion in believers is that they take bad definitions of words like ‘love’ and misapply them to God and his holiness. We need to use God’s definitions and see that his actions are quite in line with his own words and guidelines to us. Part of the believers’ problem is that their pastors or Sunday school teachers do not understand fully the OT issue they are trying to explain. They just haven’t gone far enough in their own spiritual training to see what the HS wants to teach them about God.

 

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9 responses to “Much To Talk About- 95

  1. Nathanael Eisner

    February 4, 2015 at 5:22 am

    You have yet to say anything with Minimalist or here that refutes any evidence I have presented. How can you get the lineage of Moses recorded in 1 Chronicles 6:1-3, which is Levi > Kohath > Amram > Moses, to span the 400 years as stated by God in Genesis 15:13-16? Unless you can give a reasonable answer, you cannot claim that there is a gap between Moses and his parents. God said this to Abraham, therefore to deny it is not following The Holy Spirit or The Holy Bible. Give an answer or don’t, otherwise further words about “genealogical gaps” are worthless. Truth is truth.

    A follower of The Way, The Truth, and The Life,
    Nathanael “AmbassadorHerald” Eisner
    (John 14:6)

    Link: http://archiesforum.europefreeforum.com/discussions-about-sodom-t825.html

     
    • theologyarchaeology

      February 4, 2015 at 6:11 am

      You do not get it. I left that article for you to learn something and if you have issues with it, take it up with the author of that piece.

      you need to change your attitude so you can get back to talking with minimalist.

      Let me know if you are ready to come back and you know what you need to do

       
  2. Nathanael Eisner

    February 4, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    I understand that you wanted me to learn there was a “gap” between Moses’ parents and himself.

    A follower of The Way, The Truth, and The Life,
    Nathanael “AmbassadorHerald” Eisner
    (John 14:6)

     
    • theologyarchaeology

      February 5, 2015 at 2:36 am

      you do not get it do you? From now on, until you properly apologize you will be heavily edited.

       
      • Nathanael Eisner

        February 5, 2015 at 3:09 am

        Easier to demand an apology and edit away the truth than it is to answer for the error in your theology, isn’t it?

        A follower of The Way, The Truth, and The Life,
        Nathanael “AmbassadorHerald” Eisner
        (John 14:6)

         
        • theologyarchaeology

          February 5, 2015 at 3:29 am

          So why can’t you do it? Do you think you are greater than I or God? if you want to be biblical look up the verses on how to treat others and put them into practice. Right now all you are showing me is that you can’t be biblical.

          You are being edited because you are off topic and this is not the forum for those comments

           
          • Nathanael Eisner

            February 5, 2015 at 4:27 am

            No, I am not greater than God, but I know neither are you. I can apologize for any hurt you may have received from my words, as my intent has never been to hurt you but merely proclaim the truth. As a result, I cannot apologize for what I have said because it is the truth straight from God’s mouth,

             
  3. theologyarchaeology

    February 5, 2015 at 7:51 am

    “but I know neither are you”

    I never said I was. I haven’t been hurt and I wasn’t asking you to apologize for your point of view. You still have a lot to learn.

    Your words are not truth and you need to work on that attitude. You can be re-instated tomorrow at the earliest.

     
    • theologyarchaeology

      February 6, 2015 at 12:39 am

      you will be re-instated in 30 minutes. i would be very wise and careful how you respond to this leniency

       
 
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